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Eurovision 2013 - OK here we go again

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ftm42 Mon 20-May-13 12:15:51

Removing all the supposedly 'homophobic' comments made earlier - I certainly am not homophobic, but that can remain for another context, though I believe I did say that my gay friends find these acts offensive to them as gays -

The whole point was to raise the issue of the obscenity of some Eurovision acts and why we are all OK about naked men writhing about in front of a man wearing a crucifix! This was always meant to be a family show and I cannot bring myself to let my children see this.

We are becoming an over-sexualised society and I think that's awful and especially insulting to Christians when combined with crucifix-wearing - yes, surprise! - I am a Christian! [Now I can watch as mumsnet turns this thread into an anti-Christian one and censors me for being completely intolerant of anything!]

Am I really the only one? I don't believe I am!

I know, it was a bit surreal. He had that annoying male model drawl though which kind of detracted from my enjoyment though....

ZZZenagain Tue 21-May-13 08:47:42

I didn't click that they were supposed to be transylvannian mountains unter that cloth.

A naked man wriggling his biceps to advertise spot cream! How did they come up with that one? I suppose you can get spots anywhere when you think about it.

Mimishimi Tue 21-May-13 00:50:20

I didn't think he was trying to make it a 'gay' act. I did think it was a Dracula act and had a bit of a giggle at imagining Dracula singing "It's my life" in a contralto voice. The dancers were not naked and I thought it was very clever how they shaped themselves to look like Transylvanisn mountains under that sheet in the beginning. The only person he touched was a woman at the end anyway.

My favourite act were the Greeks. Did their skirts and references to free alcohol offend your Christian sensibilities too?

Ilovemyself Tue 21-May-13 00:12:30

My best friends mother is a Christian (my wife and I are not) and she is a delight to talk to about her beliefs. And I would never want to offend her. But then I don't think I could, because she would tell me she thought I was wrong.

I think the original post was trolling anyway, I mean, who has a music lesson for a 10 yo at 8 or later on a Saturday night!

codswallopandchips Tue 21-May-13 00:03:34

I just have to say - as I'm sure you realise - that ftm doesn't represent all Christians' views on this sort of thing. In fact, this is the kind of small-minded drivel that drives me (yes! a Christian!) up the fucking wall.

Eurovision was a total delight and Petra Mede should get some kind of medal.

EatenByZombies Mon 20-May-13 23:57:48

Everyone stop replying!
She said she'd shut up, don't get her back again! grin

Ilovemyself Mon 20-May-13 22:20:10

Ftm42. Religion is a belief based system. And your belief may be different to that of others.

You don't have the right because of your belief to discriminate against others, just as they should not discriminate against your right to wear a cross or show your belief.

The trouble is that you are forcing your views on others and saying they should conform to your belief which is wrong

TheHerringScreams Mon 20-May-13 16:44:41

Romania had a great act. Don't know what you're talking about

zz.... the OP would have hyperventilated to see the add I was shown before that vid; some nude male model with twitching biceps advertising spot cream grin

And if anyone was in doubt of Cezars operatic ability, have a look at this

He's an internationally acclaimed counter-tenor who is branching out into pop opera and he has an amazing voice.

as for the dancing, have a look at some other dancers who've chosen to display the artistry and beauty of their bodies in dance and tell me they aren't exceptionally talented human beings:

lionheart Mon 20-May-13 15:51:44

What is the plural of crucifix anyway? hmm

Umlauf Mon 20-May-13 15:47:17

I forgot to give you my first biscuit

Umlauf Mon 20-May-13 15:46:41

I think you are quite ignorant to describe Cezar the Romanian act as a castrato drag queen in a crucifix (Fred about a Fred). As others have said he is a v successful falsetto opera singer and referencing his culture in his costume (which i assume you wouldnt have found offensive had it been at the opera) which I welcome in Eurovision. Much better than the identikit club music acts. Just like the Asturian bagpipes in the Spanish song. I thought it was brilliant he brought something new and different to Eurovision.

The 'naked' men who won't naked at all were in form fitting costumes to emphasise the line of the body necessary for their style of dance. It wasn't sexual, at least I and everyone i watched it with (including a very orthodox catholic and a mormon) didn't find it so.

I note you haven't complained about the woman wearing the spangly top and knickers. That was designed purely to be titillating - no objection there?

JennyEnglishTwo Mon 20-May-13 15:43:29

oh right. Sorry, Romania's act. I can't remember it !! I thought you were offended by Ireland's blatant attempt to win the gay vote. It didn't work!

JennyEnglishTwo Mon 20-May-13 15:41:51

Were you offended by Ireland's act? I think that was intended to be a vote winner but they misjudged that entirely!

I don't remember a crucifix. What act was that. I sat through it all.

conkercon Mon 20-May-13 15:36:53

Go away op. You are still a homophobe despite trying to say you are not. Go and talk to your imaginary gay friends.

Loulybelle Mon 20-May-13 14:22:29

Seriously, i see no issue in what the dances or the singer was wearing.

Op is officially just goady.

ZZZenagain Mon 20-May-13 14:16:34

look at the necklace

See, it is not a crucifix. Kind of big, blingy cross you see in gangsta rap videos.

ZZZenagain Mon 20-May-13 14:15:01

Is it even a crucifix he wore. Had a look and I think it is a giant blingy cross.

ZZZenagain Mon 20-May-13 14:12:01


eurovision selection finale from Romanian tv. He is not wearing a crucifix, just a hoodie - and with dancing girls this time.

valiumredhead Mon 20-May-13 14:10:21

I thought it was comedy genius, so did ds who is 12. Graham Norton's voice over was SO funny grin

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 20-May-13 14:09:49

Ahh, you see this is why threads-about-threads are not a good idea. I can't tell what you're blethering on about. Even still, OP, I can tell that YABU.

ZZZenagain Mon 20-May-13 14:07:28

I am surprised your gay friends were offended by that act. I just didn't make a connection in my mind between that act and homosexuality. I might have to have another look at it on youtube. We just had one of those OMG-this-is-a-weird-one discussions at home, rated it and moved on.

I suppose you are seeing the Romanian act, together with the Finnish (?) 2 women kissing and the Swedish Smorgesbord thing with the gay wedding adding up.

Gigondas Mon 20-May-13 14:05:14

Redoing this doesn't make you any more right.

ItsallisnowaFeegle Mon 20-May-13 14:04:28

ftm WHY did you start this again? You're entitled to your own opinions but you must realise you're getting no support here? Again, why?

CrapsWithBears Mon 20-May-13 14:03:20

Someone get the violins out. <rolls eyes>

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