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to think we should ban non-vaccinated from preschool

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BlackMaryJanes Tue 07-May-13 17:41:36

I saw this article today:

"Kids Who Haven't Been Vaccinated May Be Banned From Preschool"

...and I'm inclined to agree.


ShadowStorm Tue 07-May-13 19:02:10

OP, would you allow children who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons to attend pre-school?

golemmings Tue 07-May-13 19:04:15

You do know that being vaccinated doesn't guarantee you won't catch something? We've had one case of measles at our preschool. The child was vaccinated. Nothing more his mum could have done but he was quite poorly. None of the others seemed to catch it, vaccinated or not.

likeitorlumpit Tue 07-May-13 20:12:45

no point in getting vaccinated if they dont work , seems a waste of time and money .

Sirzy Tue 07-May-13 20:17:34

They do work in something like 98% of cases, in the rare cases when someone who is vaccinated does contract the disease it is generally milder.

No medication is 100% effective so perhaps we should stop giving any medicine as its a waste of time and money?

likeitorlumpit Tue 07-May-13 20:41:54

im talking about vaccinations , they seem a waste of time and money if they dont prevent a disease ,no one is talking about medication , medication is a different thing ,that is to help clear up a disease once you have it smile

Sirzy Tue 07-May-13 20:44:54

But vaccinations help to stop people getting the disease in most cases so of course they are a good thing. Your logic is rather flawed isn't it!

rambososcar Tue 07-May-13 20:45:57

I don't like popcorn. Can I have jelly beans instead, Freddie?

OP, yabu for so many reasons I can't be assed to list them.

CloudsAndTrees Tue 07-May-13 20:46:52

But in the vast majority, they do prevent disease.

Surely you have noticed that we don't regualrly have classes full of children who have lost classmates because of the diseases we vaccinate against, we have eradicated smallpox, we don't have large numbers dying because of polio, tuberculosis, measles etc?

likeitorlumpit Tue 07-May-13 20:53:20

no not really smile

notsoyoniface Tue 07-May-13 21:03:17

The way I see it is that if there is no medical reason not to get vaccinated then the child should be vaccinated. If your child cannot be vaccinated because of a medical reason then heard immunity protects them.

Vaccinations prevent illness. Has everyone forgotten about the outbreak of measles in Wales already?

CoteDAzur Tue 07-May-13 21:05:34

Freddie - I'll have some popcorn, thanks grin

There are very few compulsory vaccines in France for school admission, if anyone is interested. MMR isn't one of them. Neither is chicken pox, for example.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 07-May-13 21:07:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Wallison Tue 07-May-13 21:09:17

likeitorlumpit - so you haven't heard the news that hitherto common diseases have been pretty much eradicated due to the vaccination schedule? Where do you live? 1853?

Fwiw I think it should be a condition of starting pre-school. This Wales thing just shows how easy it is for a disease to take hold again due to the fucking stupidity of parents not vaccinating their kids.

CoteDAzur Tue 07-May-13 21:17:53

Hands up, those of us who have joined MN in the last week.

Even then, I don't know how you have not even seen a single vaccine thread. If you had, you would know that most of what is said here has been said, shown to be wrong or irrelevant, and the discussion has moved on many times over.

rambososcar Tue 07-May-13 21:19:38

How much would this work? The unvaccinated child may not go to a state school but can still attend a private one and mix with children there. He can still go into Tescos when his mum goes shopping, still go to soft play, the cinema, his friends' houses, parties, the shopping centre, the zoo, the library, the museum. How much do you really think that creating some form of pro-choice-in-vaccination aparthied would stop you or your child from mixing with the unvaccinated?

How do you stop yourself or your child from mixing with unvaccinated adults?

PeneloPeePitstop Tue 07-May-13 21:22:12

Vaccination almost killed my DD. She can't have more it'd kill her.

Should she be denied an education?

NaturalBaby Tue 07-May-13 21:27:15

<tut tut> I hope you have your flame proof suit at the ready OP.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Tue 07-May-13 21:30:41

Parent says no vaccinations. Child gets no education. Parent educates child themselves. -Is that your assumption? Well what if they don't? Child grows up unable to read, write or add up.

Future for that child without even basic skills? Is it fair to a child to deny them an education - a future, possibly the ability to earn their own living - because of a choice made by their parents at a time when they were totally unable to have any say in that decision even if they were capable of understanding it?

And unless the child is placed under house arrest, they'd be at the park, in the street, playgroups, in their friends houses, etc. So what does denying them an education help with?

I don't think punishing the child for the choice of the parent is ever the right thing to do.

5madthings Tue 07-May-13 21:30:57

Yabu parents should have a choice and some parents have very valid reasons not to vaccinate.

My ds4 currently has a mild dose of mumps as he it seems is the one in 50 children who get a mild case of mumps from the MMR vaccine, poor sod is miserable sad

WearsMinkAllDayAndFoxAllNight Tue 07-May-13 21:58:48

It doesn't matter whether you're BU or NBU. It's inevitable that sooner or later vaccination will be required for school, and probably other social provision too. We can't go on being the Isle of Contagion because of the anti-vaccinators.

AmberSocks Tue 07-May-13 22:03:20

my kids arent vaccinated,they go to pre school and the pre school know.

If they were "banned" from pre school or school i just wouldnt send them,wouldnt bother me too much,i doubt it will ever happen in this country.

AmberSocks Tue 07-May-13 22:05:15

plus the wales thing was faked,look it up,only 8 confirmed cases,over 200 were misdiagnosed.

AmberSocks Tue 07-May-13 22:07:45

plus i would be quite happy for my children to catch measles,its no worse than chicken pox for a healthy child,give me measles over a vaccine full of poison any day.

marthastew Tue 07-May-13 22:08:27

I think that they do this in France. Children without vaccination certificates are not allowed to attend state school.

HollyBerryBush Tue 07-May-13 22:10:03

I'm perplexed. Someone come and educate me please.

Hypothetical: There is A Disease doing the rounds. I am vaccinated, you are not. I am 99% safe from contracting The Disease. You are vulnerable.

Applying that logic, why should you be banned from playgroup? you cannot hurt me, I'm 99% invincible.

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