To think my husband is a borderline alcoholic(57 Posts)
I have issues with DH drinking, as he cant just have a social drink, he has to drink himself unconcious, not every night and it doesnt affect work, and he doesnt drink during the day usually, but enough to really piss me off.
well we went to a family party yesterday in a posh hotel. We walked there with our 3 kids, and stopped at 2 pubs on the wave for a "flyer" I was paranoid how much he would drink before we even landed as a couple of drinks and you can tell, he starts to slur slightly and his behavour changes. Anyway he only had a pint and a half and was fine when we got to the venue.
first round there however, and we both order gin and tonic, he a double, he flew into a rage after he had handed me mine and then said I had picked the wrong one up and it was the double and I had put too much tonic in and it was ruined. I honestly couldnt see the problem but he was almost panicking that he didnt have the double. He calmed down after a minute, but then spent huge amounts of time away from the table ordering wine for the meal, he got me a glass of red, and himself a bottle of white. They poured his white and then put the bottle in an ice bucket, at the other end of the table from us and he was panicking again, saying it was his bloody wine and they had no right to put it anywhere other than next to his glass. Honestly it was embarrassing. I think he has a problem, he disagrees and says I am controlling and a nag.
what does anyone else think please?
Your post shows little understanding of how an alcoholic functions
Sorry, Tweed but I would agree with this. All the years spent trying find out why he drank, trying to help him stop by having no alcohol in the house, putting up with his behaviour and trying to make amends to everyone else, including children were to no avail. You said it yourself, they were wasted.
No-one can make an alcoholic stop drinking. The only choice you have is to enable the drinking by tolerating it or leave. The drinker is extremely unlikely to stop if you keep tolerating it.
Tolerating means ignoring it, enabling it by buying alcohol, driving them because they are over the limit, cleaning up after them if they make a mess, minimising or trying to hide their drinking to friends and family, compensating to children, making demands and not following through, having repeated discussions which go no-where, accepting promise after promise, threatening to leave and not doing it. All of these actions will encourage the drinker to keep drinking because there is no real reason for them not to.
I agree with PP
Spending long periods of time trying to understand why a person drinks to excess is really just enabling by another name, I am afraid
the only thing to "understand" is the point at which your family is being damaged by the choices of one of it's members, and act accordingly
Your post shows little understanding of how an alcoholic functions.
Telling OP to stop drinking -because it might make it more akward is nonsense. Another persons drinking does not affect how an alcoholic drinks.
Asking her to find out what drives his desire to get plastered?? I am astounded that someone who has lived with active alcoholism and sought the help of Al-anon holds the views that you appear to do.
Plus all the wasted years
Totally ruined Xmas break , destroyed xmas dinner , having no life that didnt revolve around booze, days out suddenly cut short because there was a potential for getting drunk, hundreds, possibly thousands of dinners ruined because the pub was preferable to a nice sunday roast
stealing to fund the drinking
not being able to afford a car , but still spending hundreds a month on booze.
sorry i skip read all the replies . will try harder next time, if I can be bothered.
Ruined birthdays , ruined holidays , amazing rows, ruined family weddings . The uncontrolled rage and instant spiralling decent into arguements, with absolutely no provocation . The deceit , the lies , broken promises.
Seen the illness , the inside of an ICU , the crem ... do i need to go on .
tweed "you could try to work out why he's drinking" WTF? Have you not read any of the posts above?
Your post is spectacularly unhelpful. Do you have any experience of living with alcoholism?
You could try to work why hes drinking , what drives his desire to get plastered.?
Going on a beer march on the way to a nice hotel , ands topping en route for a warm up isnt normal.
I guess when you do go out in the evening he drives there and you drive back, or its a Taxi both ways.
I think you need to stop drinking as well OP. It will make it slightly more arkward if he's the only one having a drink .
It will get worse as he gets older , and the kids will notice alot more. All the random sudden mood swings . The daft behaviour , disappearing acts , stumbling / falling down in the street.
Then there are the financial implications, plus the health ones. It might be OK now , but alcohol abuse has a serious long term impact especially in binge drinkers .
Al anon will help . Trying to help him to stop will also help . Having no booze in the house, or alot of quality soft drinks. Even low alcohol beers , sometimes its the sitting down and cracking a beer open after work is a habit . If what follows on becomes a problem then it is an addiction.
One of the worst addictions of all . Legal , accessable and cheap.
Good role model for your 3 kids as well. Make it harder when they want to go the park or camping and would like some cider to take , as most teenagers seem to do . If there is an abundance of alcohol in the house they will probably help themselves to it.
Snorbs - wonderfully put. Thank you for taking the time to spell it out in such clear terms.
OP - painful as it is, you'd be wise to listen and act. Ignoring these words will, in the longterm, be more painful. I promise you that.
Deep down he suspects he's got a drink problem. But he doesn't want to admit it to himself because if he did then the only sensible thing to do would be to stop. And he doesn't want to stop. So he lies to himself that it's ok, he can control it, and if he might be drinking a bit too much at the moment it's because of external stressors and it will all settle down once people stop getting on his case about it.
It's all lies he's telling himself to allow him to justify to himself that it's ok to not stop drinking. But that sense of denial is so strong that anything you do to shine a light on it makes him painfully uncomfortable, hence the shouting and storming off. He doesn't want to think about it because to do so would require him to face up to the lies.
But that's all his business. The important thing from your point of view is that, right now, he doesn't want to stop drinking. As a wide and possibly overly broad generalisation, an alcoholic will only stop drinking when the fear of what their drinking will cost them outweighs the fear of a sober life.
His fear of how dull, empty and joyless his life would be without alcohol are very powerful. It will also be being fed by a unhealthily large serving of "Who does she think she is to tell me what to do?" Those feelings are being driven by the power of the addiction and, for some, they're insurmountable and so they never stop and they die an alcoholic's death.
By contrast so far his drinking hasn't cost him anything more than some hefty hangovers and the disapproval of his wife. The cost/benefit analysis is heavily in favour of him continuing to drink.
He doesn't believe you'd leave him over this and, frankly, your behaviour so far supports that view. You got him to go to counselling under the banner of you not being able to continue living like that yet his drinking has continued and you are still choosing to live like that. Empty threats are counter-productive as they just reinforce the belief that while you might be telling him that his behaviour is unacceptable your actions are saying that opposite.
You want him to stop drinking. He doesn't. He knows that his drinking upsets you and damages your relationship but he's willing to continue risking your relationship provided he continues being able to drink. It's that simple.
Ask yourself this question: If you said to him "It's me or the booze" which way do you honestly think he would go? If you think he would choose the booze, what does that say about your marriage?
This could go one of three ways:
1) You talk to him again and again until he agrees that he has a problem and decides to do something about this. This could take years and years and, in fact, he may never agree. Even if he does, he might not be able to stop and you will be back at square one. This could continue for the rest of your life.
2) You talk to him again and he promises to try to change. He will at first suggest that he 'cuts back' the amount he drinks. His secret drinking will become more prevalent and his open drinking will gradually creep back up to previous levels. You will be back at square one - see above.
3) You tell him that he can make his own choices but if he continues to drink like this you will choose a better life for yourself and the children. You will no longer tolerate his drinking, make excuses for it or cover up after it. You will tell family and friends how difficult it is and seek support for yourself from them and organisations like al anon.
Option 3 is the only one guaranteed to effect change.
bird 'talking to him' reasonably or otherwise, will not make him see 'sense'. Alcoholism is a disease, he is I'll. you can't talk someone out of having an illness. You wouldn't talk someone out of Bi-polar would you? YOU can't help him until you have helped yourself.
It is impossible for anyone to understand how an alcoholic feels, only other alcoholics. That's why AA works for them (if they want it to) and why Sl-anon works for us.
By trying to talk to him you just give him a reason to have a drink. Please believe me.
please Op re read all the posts on this thread and don't be hard on yourself. it is his problem he needs to sort it but you need to sort yourself out. make a plan tonight of places to go to tomorrow for some help and support. very worried that this is having such an effect on you and you feel so hopeless at the moment. others are better at giving practical support so why not pm them.
Oh, you poor soul. It's him, not you. Can you LTB?
Don't go to bed to cry quietly, though it's totally understandable. Get support tomorrow, call Al Anon, talk to friends/family about the stress ( and a different GP), and be resilient. Do make plans to 'protect' yourself and have those boundaries and decisions stuck to.
He is an alcoholic.
My mum spent years saying my dad 'liked a drink'. He was/still is a high functioning alcoholic.
You don't have to put up with this - he needs to get help.
Don't be so tolerant op, he drinks too much. He might not stop, so as others have said, what are you going to do?
He will be massively irritated, for a few possible reasons, I think. 1. he knows he has a problem and doesn't like being challenged 2. he is tired and irritable after previous drinking 3. alcohol is a depressant and if he's been drinking to this level a lot he will have trouble being even-handed.4. He is missing a drink and wants a drink, and sees responsibilities, and you, as a barrier?
Overall tho' it is really difficult for you, isn't it? And the dcs will be seeing him behave in ways they shouldn't.
well, he would, wouldn't he ?
I am sorry, love
Time for you to get real here...he isn't going to
have just tried to talk to him about it.....he's stormed off to bed.....he hasn't had a drink tonight
it doesn't sound 'borderline'
Al-anon can help you and provide support for you
I agree with what others have said, he's probably drinking much more than you think. Addicts are very good at covering their tracks. It's such an awful situation for you, ( and him I imagine, when sober) but you can't make him change. Do go to Al Anon if you can. Have you told him how you feel? He probably won't listen or want to hear but he's hurting you and your children and needs to know this so he can make his own decisions about whether to continue drinking or get help. You need to get support for yourself.
AF yes, I thought I could manage too, I fantasised that he would find work and pack it all in. To no avail
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