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To think 'Prince of Egypt' is just a bit sickening and not something I'd want my children to watch?

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DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 14:45:58

Sorry, but even (and especially) if you believe it really happened, the slaughter of Egypt's first-born is just horrible and not a fit subject for a children's cartoon.

The only lesson I can see being taught here is that it's okay for your enemy's innocent children to be killed so long as it benefits you and your own nation/people.

AIBU to think that there is no way this would have been deemed acceptable to be included in a children's cartoon if it weren't a biblical story?

phantomnamechanger Mon 06-May-13 16:08:23

your lion king analogy puts your point very well OP and I do see where you are coming from. But they were not writing a story to make into a kids film , the story was there and they chose to make a film based on it. I guess one has to hope that a) parents know the subject matter before they let their DC watch it, b) schools forewarn parents if they are showing it and any childrens concerns are adequately addressed

I haven't really thought about it before but my own DC would be watching that with a good background knowledge of the bible stories, and are old enough not to be scared by it.

Sparhawk Mon 06-May-13 16:09:28

What a lovely message for children, do what god says or he'll kill you. Makes me glad I'm an atheist.

gordyslovesheep Mon 06-May-13 16:10:55

I don't get your hysteria to be honest a) you must have known the story before showing it to your kids and b) that clip shows one death and hits at 3 more and shows Moses remorseful and sad - so it's hardly a celebration of child killing

gordyslovesheep Mon 06-May-13 16:11:09


AnnieLobeseder Mon 06-May-13 16:12:35

Like it or not, Sparhawk (and I don't like it either and am also an atheist for pretty much that reason), that's the message which predominantly runs through the Old Testament. The New Testament message isn't any better. Only there it's the kingdom of heaven which is denied if you don't make god happy. A whole eternity of suffering instead of a quick death.

Where people get this "god is love" idea is beyond me. hmm

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:13:36

I doubt b) ever happens, phantom, unfortunately. I agree that it should.

Sparhawk Even better, he'll kill your PFB!

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 16:14:16

*Or giving a pretty child a poisoned apple?

Or a huntsman killing the mother dear?

Or falling asleep for 100 years?

Or being locked in a tower by a person of short stature?*

Or having your uncle kill your dad and you are left to go it alone in the wilderness

or walking through the woods to grandmas then being followed by the wolf,

god the list goes on but children do realise that these are horror stories and can cope

Sparhawk Mon 06-May-13 16:14:44

So agreed Annie.

McBalls Mon 06-May-13 16:16:25

Watched the clip, I don't see what you described.
The murders represented by a sinister wind whipping through villages, the families are presented sleeping, cuddling together in a way to make the viewer sympathise - animators are very capable of letting the viewer know what we should be thinking about each character/situation and those children and their families were definitely not intended to be disliked by the viewer. The mothers were pretty and cuddling up contentedly with their sleeping, cute, children.

I haven't seen the rest of the film and have no desire to but from that clip I disagree that the murders were presented as a 'completely ok' and I definitely didn't get the sense this force was an 'all powerful source of goodness'.

workhouse Mon 06-May-13 16:22:08

DribbleWiper I completely agree with you.

caroldecker Mon 06-May-13 16:27:33

Annie my point exactly, the sooner children realise that God is vengeful and cruel, the sooner they will able to make up their own mind about religion. If you are selling something (religion) to children, then it should be the full story.

Whether Disney should make films based on the Bible is another question.

McBalls Mon 06-May-13 16:30:10

Besides all that I completely agree with Annie.

Fluffypinkcoat Mon 06-May-13 16:30:56

<sneaks in to repeat self>

Disney didnt make a film based on the bible.

SPsYoniTheOneAndOnly Mon 06-May-13 16:35:09

Its just a film. People read too much into kids films sometimes.

Look at Finding Nemo characters:

Gurgle - OCD - disgusted by human mouth, ocean is contaminated
Deb - delusional about her "sister" Flo who is really just her reflection in the glass
Bubbles -neurotic about the bubbles
Gill - the hard-as-nails fish who's been there, done that, got the scar to prove it; into conspiracy theories
Crush - thrill-seeking adrenaline junkie
Bruce - shark with abandonment issues from his dad
Chum - the shark who relapsed on fish by eating his "bring a buddy" before support group
Dory - major short-term memory loss
Nemo - guilt over last words spoken to his father

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:36:12

Okay, Fluffy, let's just acknowledge that it was made by Dreamworks. Do you work for Disney?

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:38:59

SPs We're not talking GCSE Media here, it's a film where the protagonist's god wipes out the first born children of his enemy's people so that his enemy will allow the protagonist's people to go free. That's the plot, not the subtext.

SPsYoniTheOneAndOnly Mon 06-May-13 16:40:36

Then Alice In Wonderland is obviously about a woman on a Acid trip.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:41:47

Absolutely, SPs, although she's a child, which makes it even more disturbing! grin

SPsYoniTheOneAndOnly Mon 06-May-13 16:42:26

Dribble Its a kids film. A cartoon for children. Shit like that happened way back then. Most kids wont pick up on it. This reading into films is quite funny tbh

AnnieLobeseder Mon 06-May-13 16:45:39

Dribble - it's a Bible story. As written (mostly). The plot, supposedly, was written by the hand of god himself. Would you have preferred Dreamworks to have changed the plot? They would have risked a mightly smiting!!

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:46:11

SPs Did you actually bother to read the OP? "Shit like that happened way back then"?! So it's okay, is it? And that's assuming you're treating the subject matter as historical, which I can take a completely different issue with.

SPsYoniTheOneAndOnly Mon 06-May-13 16:50:02

I mean it happened so when making a film about Ancient Egypt its going to be added to the story. I'm not saying its ok, I'm not insane grin

You cant protect kids from everything.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:51:22

Annie No, I just think it's a really horrible story (basically, as you said upthread) to turn into a kids' film. It didn't actually occur to me until we'd got to the plagues and I remembered what was coming and then thought how utterly disgusting the 10th plague is and how completely inappropriate for a children's film (although some people on this thread seem to think it's wonderfully educational). Aren't there enough other stories for them to work from?!

Fluffypinkcoat Mon 06-May-13 16:51:45

Nope, just think the people complaining about Disney making the film should know that Disney doesn't make every single cartoon film ever and this is one of the ones they didn't make.

SPsYoniTheOneAndOnly Mon 06-May-13 16:51:53

And Alice was a child?! I didn't know that. Underage drug taking promotion there grin

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