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to buy my groceries in Asda even though it comes out worst (with Tesco) in ethical shopping lists?

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Nospringflower Mon 06-May-13 10:57:47

Can't decide where to do online shop. Waitrose comes out best but is dearest, Sainsburys middle and Asda bottom of ethical lists but cheapest eg milk £1.49 instead of £1.89 but think they screw the farmers. Should I think of my cash or think of the bigger good (as I can afford to shop in any of them).

bettycocker Tue 07-May-13 19:22:43

ivanapoo, I try to buy second hand too.

For grocery shopping I will choose Waitrose, the Co-op and buy locally. Sometimes I have to go on a mercy dash to somewhere random though.

Somebody told me that I'm too poor to shop at Waitrose. hmm Maybe I can shop there because I don't spend money on other things. smile

ivanapoo Tue 07-May-13 09:09:00

betty great point. One of the reasons I try to buy clothes in charity shops or on eBay, when I need them.

The amount of food we waste (as a nation) is shocking. We throw away something like 25% of all food we buy!

bettycocker Mon 06-May-13 23:16:45

Every garment that's made uses energy and resources. Every manufactured item has a carbon footprint. Do people really need so much new stuff?

We should try to reuse and recycle, if only for the good of all life on this planet. Honestly, do any of us have a right to be entitled to stuff in the first place? We're not the only inhabitants here and we can't continue the way we are going.

I'll fuck off and go back to my tree hugging now.

Nospringflower Mon 06-May-13 22:24:18

People not expletive!

Nospringflower Mon 06-May-13 22:12:23

I think the problem is that Asda / Walmart are known for unethical practices including being poor employers, using low paid workers, screwing the farmers for rock bottom prices and using low paid workers in poor conditions and child labour in their clothes production. But (or as a result) they are cheaper and therefore expletive with little financial choice have to buy from them, even if they would prefer not to. And then you have the folk who don't give a shit or believe it is good to employ people in poor conditions as it is better than being unemployed. Anyway, thanks to everyone for making me see that I should go with companies with a god ethical reputation since I care about it and can afford to chose.

rainbowslollipops Mon 06-May-13 21:21:11

Online shopping wise I always go with Asda. I spend just over £100 a month on a big shop for dd and I and found I can make food last longer. I buy milk from my local newsagents for £1 same thing with bread is £1 and I freeze that. Sainsburys for me is expensive. But we do have a lidl so I'm very lucky there and also one day a week the market is out in our local village so.I take full blown advantage of the food there. (good size block of Stilton for £2 grin )

Sparrowp Mon 06-May-13 20:45:32

I found Sainsburys was cheaper than Asda actually, and I am not happy shopping at Asda because they are so unethical in the way they treat the staff in the the store.

Waitrose is lovely when you can afford it.

higgle Mon 06-May-13 17:44:35

Asda have a greater range of vegetarian foods than any of the other large supermarkets, and it is cheaper - encouraging people not to eat meat sounds pretty ethical to me.

Tee2072 Mon 06-May-13 17:38:02

That's exactly what I meant.

I'm totally stony broke, but I still manage to do what I can, i.e. buy fairtrade coffee. But I a) there is no Waitrose in NI so I can't shop there and b) I can't afford to buy everything ethically.

I do care about other people. But at this point in my life I have to mostly be concerned about my family and feeding and clothing them.

My son would have no clothes if I was concerned about where every piece of clothing he wears is made. So I shop at Primark and Tesco and ASDA and he's covered and warm and gets to wear the same characters his friends do. He's only 3.10 so not quite worried about fashion yet. grin

And that isn't going to change any time soon. I'm one of those hidden disability people the government hates who is too well for DLA (or whatever it is now) and too ill to hold down a job so I freelance when I can get work. My husband makes a fairly good wage but hasn't had a real raise in, probably, 10 years, so not keeping up with the cost of everything. I almost cried when I saw Tesco milk, which I know is ethically produced and fairly paid for, had gone up 2p a litre. That's an additional 12p a week of my grocery money, which sounds like nothing unless you are as tightly budgeted as I am. So I've switched to a brand I don't know the ethos of because both my son and my husband love milk and the other brand is nearly 20p cheaper for 2 litres.

So if you have the time, energy and money to research and be ethical (whatever the fuck that means these days) go for it. I don't and just maybe never will.

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 17:20:28

I probably seemed flippant I didnt mean too I do try and make good choices and it isn't always possible , you did get a bit ARGHHH but thats ok grin

ivanapoo Mon 06-May-13 17:09:03

Sorry mrsjay I got a bit AIBU-angry there. I just hate "life's too short" as an excuse for people to make selfish choices.

I see your point about it being easy to tie yourself up in knots about making the right decision every time though.

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 17:07:09

oh ivana I have really pissed you off eh, sorry you took what i said the wrong way no need to get so angry about it

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 17:06:13

i felt tee was saying, make an active choice to buy from developing countries that are in the game for the big contracts, as if a big brand is involved the setup is larger scale and there is more attention on the conditions for the workers. Fair point.

^ ^ this too

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 17:05:40

nothing is wrong with trying to do the right thing but if you tried to do the right thing in every purchase or bit of food then as i said before your head will explode,

joanofarchitrave Mon 06-May-13 17:04:45

i felt tee was saying, make an active choice to buy from developing countries that are in the game for the big contracts, as if a big brand is involved the setup is larger scale and there is more attention on the conditions for the workers. Fair point.

ivanapoo Mon 06-May-13 17:03:13

What's wrong with trying to do the right thing ffs? What a shit attitude.

If life is too short to think about the impact you might have on others and the world around you occasionally, how come you have so much time to piss about on mumsnet?

OP shop in Waitrose - they're far from perfect but treat their suppliers a bit better and have a good selection of stuff.

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 16:54:38

yes I agree with you too yes if you know and it bothers you then of course dont shop I think that is what tee meant shop and buy where and what you like, make your own choice

Nospringflower Mon 06-May-13 16:52:41

I know you can spend loads of time trying to do the right thing (spent hours slithering about supermarkets this morning grin) but if you KNOW a place is bad it seems wrong to shop there.

joanofarchitrave Mon 06-May-13 16:38:28

what i do think is true is that the stuff that is packaged as 'good'/'ethical' is frequently pretty problematic

i also think we should consider economies of scale in energy etc - a lot less wasteful to buy plastic cakes in iceland made by the trillion in a single large oven rather than have us all individually turning on our inefficient half-empty ovens to make cupcakes

but none of this IMO makes it ok to go 'i am deliberately not going to give a crap about anyone else'

joanofarchitrave Mon 06-May-13 16:35:56

"you could spend a life time making sure you are doing the 'right thing'"

hear hear

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 16:34:09

OH i have been high horsey it is fine today I agree with you another day I will be hmm

Tee2072 Mon 06-May-13 16:32:55

I was told to get off my high horse on Saturday, so it's nice to be thought sensible. grin

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 16:32:14

bask in it tee I think you are very sensible grin

Tee2072 Mon 06-May-13 16:27:25

Man, lots of people have been agreeing with me lately. These smart pills are really working! grin

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 16:23:20

I agree with tee tbh just buy what you like where you like you could spend a life time making sure you are doing the 'right thing' but life is way to short imo

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