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to finally be able to say there has been too much immigration

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moogy1a Fri 03-May-13 08:29:59

Now that UKIP have made massive gains in local elections,conservatives stating that major changes need to be made and labour admit that they made a big mistake in having an almost open door policy can I finally say this in public without the hysterical accusations of being racist?

Toadinthehole Wed 08-May-13 09:13:17

I'm comfortable with what I said, and I know what I'm talking about. If it offends you, that's too bad.

mirry2 Wed 08-May-13 09:26:00

Toadinthehole I am not offended in the least. I just think that calling a country racist is a lazy way of talking.

Toadinthehole Wed 08-May-13 09:38:44

The meaning of what I said was perfectly clear, and if you regard it as lazy, then I regard you as rather preoccupied with semantics. I'm glad, however, that you aren't offended.

slug Wed 08-May-13 10:06:40

NZ has about the same land area as the UK but only about 4.5 million in population. The problem NZ has with immigration is the internal market is so small that many of it's educated professionals have to emigrate to get a job. The brain drain is a massive problem there. They all turn up in the UK where the job market is just so much bigger.

It interesting though that a small country can manage to educate and skill students to a level that the UK seems unable to manage.

Toadinthehole Wed 08-May-13 10:12:49

That's obvious enough.

There is far more competition for teaching jobs in NZ and as a result the standard of teaching is higher. Furthermore, NZ teachers are assumed to know what they're doing, and so aren't micromanaged like in the UK. The quality of the local schools is the major reason we remain here, although I am worried about the our two DDs' employment prospects when they grow up.

However, as NZ is (winks at mirry2) also less sexist than the UK, perhaps that won't be a problem.

slug Wed 08-May-13 10:27:22

It's not just the quality of the teaching Toadinthehole, it's also the breadth. The UK severely restricts students in the A level years. University degrees are also very prescriptive.

I used to horrify my students in the UK when I pointed out to them I studied 5 A levels. (and no, the UK ones are not harder than the NZ ones, I've taught both) There was also the requirement, at least when I went to school (old gimmer emoticon) to take English in the 6th form. I seem to remember my school also requiring maths at that level. Unlike the UK where you can specialise, this policy turns out science students who are capable of writing clearly and coherently and arts students who are also numerate.

Toadinthehole Thu 09-May-13 10:32:19

I think NCEA doesn't require pupils to take maths and English to 6th form any more sad, although it's something universities expect to see.

University degrees are also shorter. A New Zealand LLB with honours takes 4 1/2 years; in England only 3; in Scotland 4 (but they start a year earlier, which means they specialise earlier).

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