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to think Gove has probably forgotten the fun of summer holidays, playing out after school and relaxing?

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kim147 Fri 19-Apr-13 07:43:06

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BeQuicksieorBeDead Sun 28-Apr-13 10:34:44

Gove is going to fund this idea for free, with the backing of most voters, after he has baited the unions in to a strike. Selfish teachers need sorting out - giving him licence to rip up teachers pay and conditions and set working hours to suit his plan.

What kind of teachers will stick with it? Ones that have no option, no confidence left, no self worth to leave. The profession will suffer as it is downgraded even more and unqualified teachers do more and more of the work. We will end up like Portugal where primary teachers are seen as the dregs.

If we want shorter holidays, fine, good luck booking time off when everyone requests the same fortnight, but lets throw some money at it and do it properly. Extended hours need to be paid for, be optional and be.good quality. Not be tacked on to an already exhausting day.

nappyaddict Thu 25-Apr-13 17:07:58

sarahtigh Because for me the purpose of school holidays is to recharge batteries so shorter, more frequently spaced out holidays are better than having 12 weeks in the summer but just 2 weeks at christmas and 2 weeks at Easter like other countries have.

howshouldibehave Wed 24-Apr-13 16:50:06

To people who suggest all primary school afternoon activities be outside, can I just make the point that whilst it's a lovely idea, it's not always practical. My primary has 20 classes of 30 with one playground and one small field and I'm sure we aren't alone in this-there is just no space.

sarahtigh Wed 24-Apr-13 16:00:15

why would you want all those holidays when weather bad that would be more weeks in october to march than in april - september

maybe split summer holidays so finish after major exams last 3 weeks of june then 6 weeks in school

( for primary school children all afternoon activites outside more sport/ nature based science etc)

for secondary children could include at least 2 weeks of work experience things like duke of edinburgh awards , outward bound stuff, more music /art/ theatre etc taster courses in other languages/ philosphy/ cookery/ mechanics etc

then off last 2 weeks august and 1st week september then last week october half term, 2 weeks at christmas 3rd week of february and then first 2 weeks in april for easter with just long weekend in may as break up in june, also means no going back for 3 weeks after GCSE's

nappyaddict Wed 24-Apr-13 09:39:17

I think the October, February and May half terms should be 2 weeks. Easter and Christmas should be 3 weeks and 4 weeks in Summer.

exoticfruits Sun 21-Apr-13 19:39:12

What's not to like?

Over 200 posts detailing it!

Doubtitsomehow Sun 21-Apr-13 19:38:19

My kids love the summer hols. And we just about manage to balance it with work.

But. I see all the arguments about global competition. And it's our kids that are going to be facing that - not us parents.

I also really feel for those kids whose parents struggle to put food on the table, and to parent, over the long hols. For them, the six or seven weeks must stretch out like a nightmare.

So. It's debate worth having. How can it not be?

Squarepebbles Sun 21-Apr-13 19:22:19

For you not for my children, the majority of children or teachers.

dayshiftdoris Sun 21-Apr-13 18:55:04


As single parent I dont have the benefit of another parent working part time and as a midwife I couldn't work school hours though I was allowed to work 9-5...

Never had an exotic holiday, large house or brand new car, infact I've earnt that much that there has barely been money to put food on the table at times.

And during all that time I was putting my son 'on the treadmill' (by choice of course) I was paying more than a third of my wage for childcare. I couldn't leave work and claim benefits because I had a mortgage before I had my son and I knew I would end up losing our home.

But thanks for your completely in accurate take on my world... I guarentee you that I am not alone with this one... there is a number of single parents doing what I did for the reasons I did it.

As for downtime - I have been lucky enough to not work the last 10months and my son is no better off because the holidays are so stupidity spaced out... some holidays are too long and the terms too long.
They cram so much in to the day so it's all rushed. The irony of your 'downtime' comment when my son with ASD often misses his downtime at school because they are cramming teaching in right up to 3.15pm...

A longer day with more breaks that give real downtime coupled with shorter, more regular holidays would be better in the long run.

Hulababy Sun 21-Apr-13 08:57:57

Norfolk - did you see the link? English school children already do longer hours than other children in developed countries. Longer hours is simply not the answer.

howshouldibehave Sun 21-Apr-13 08:57:20

Norfolk, have you read any of the thread?

If you work 37 hours a week, does it go without saying that you'd be as productive at your job if you were to suddenly work an extra hour each day? Two hours? Now start reducing your holidays, will you still be working hard? Not tired at all?

You can't just do more of the same and expect better results. Children are not robots.

TheHumancatapult Sun 21-Apr-13 08:41:29

oh and somehow were mant to fit homework and physio etc into a day.his school already hate fact i refuse to do homework with him .Childhood is to short as it is and then they complain when children seem grow up to fast hmm

TheHumancatapult Sun 21-Apr-13 08:39:23

yup i pull my child from education if happens

Many dc with sn leave already very early for schools and have travelling so there days already way to long

already he leaves house at 7.20 home 4.30 that is up by 6am and often in dinner and ready for bed weekends he is tired out and then start again Mon .summer holidays gives us chance to do things

.He is 7[sad[

SuffolkNWhat Sun 21-Apr-13 08:08:44

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Squarepebbles Sun 21-Apr-13 08:07:03

Have you read the thread Norfolk?confused

norfolknic Sun 21-Apr-13 08:01:48

I think it's a fantastic idea. It would improve children's education and bring us I'm line with better performing countries. What's not to like? Seems like some people just hate Gove regardless of what he says and does.

exoticfruits Sun 21-Apr-13 07:59:42

Some children have chaotic home lives and would benefit from longer time at school- however there is no need to have a 'blanket' - longer for all when the majority are better served by the shorter school day.
Children who need intervention can be spotted by 3yrs and that is where the money needs to be spent. Provision could be made for those who need it.

Squarepebbles Sun 21-Apr-13 07:50:58

Sunny but to take a positive thing away because a few want free childcare is wrong.Many,many kids need and thrive under the current system and many families work hard to enable their children to have down time.

Sorry but posts like yours smack of sour grapes.

I don't want the nation's entire collective of teachers and children to be knackered and living a treadmill life because some children are in full time childcare over the holidays.confused

It's like saying all music lessons or private schools should be banned because some families can't afford it.

Shouldn't we be working towards providing quality school holidays where all children get down time,freedom to create and just be?

exoticfruits Sun 21-Apr-13 07:36:44

You can't have free clubs in the holidays- childcare is expensive, staff need to be paid. It doesn't matter if you go down the road of teachers working extra hours/weeks or keeping the holidays and having different staff run clubs/activities- the country can't afford it.

Sunnysummer Sun 21-Apr-13 00:56:57

AIBU to think that lots of the responses on this thread have forgotten about the reality of single parenthood and families disadvantaged enough that 'not buying coffees' is not going to allow for a decent lifestyle and enough support for kids over long breaks, whether financially or through other types of enrichment?

I am still not fully sold on the proposals, and would need to see a lot more evidence before I'd be thrilled to put DCs in for longer days... but some of the 'my kids have amazing holidays thanks to me and my great parenting' responses on here feel smug and not hugely helpful to the debate.

VenusRising Sun 21-Apr-13 00:38:14

In my experience of schooling, it doesn't matter if the holidays are long or short, you still need to have a good solid curriculum, and reinforced and supported learning at home.

Parents are the real heroes if there is any advance in literacy or numeracy.

Fwiw my dd gets three months holidays in the summer (yes, 12 weeks) two weeks at Xmas, two weeks at Easter, and one full week for each mid term. Also plenty of half days for teacher training.

That means she's only in school for seven months of the year, and literacy rates and numeracy rates are very high where we are (republic of Ireland).
I suppose the long holidays are a relict system when we were more agricultural, and everyone helped with the harvest, or some such. Not very necessary now we are all becoming more urbanised and 24/7.

I think the only benefit of such long holidays is that we are very imaginative and entrepreneurial, unlike the Asian countries.

I still would love free clubs in the summer and for the other holidays, as these cost us a fortune, otherwise we have to take shorter hours at work, but on the whole, I enjoy my kids company, and I feel the lazy, unscheduled days are precious!

Cathycat Sun 21-Apr-13 00:13:40

I cant understand where the money is going to come from for all of this? It hasn't been said that the teachers will teach during these extra hours and extra weeks, but if so, it would cost the country a fortune. Full time teachers only get paid for 32 and a half hours a week ... obviously they do far more than this voluntarily. If Gove is intending people who have NVQs to lead before and after school clubs, who is going to pay for this? The government? This option would still cost the government a lot of money. Perhaps then is Gove expecting teachers to increase their contact time to 45 hours a week for extra weeks a year without extra pay? So then it would be free childcare provided by teachers?

lisad123everybodydancenow Sun 21-Apr-13 00:05:23

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maddening Sun 21-Apr-13 00:01:49

Gove still has his 13 weeks holiday - I wonder if the mp's holidays should be cutby the same amount

Squarepebbles Sat 20-Apr-13 23:23:50

Oh and today after reading for ages they played outside for most of the day with all the neighbourhood kids(camping in an old pop up tent,Hogwarts Express on bikes,making fires with a magnifying glass,water fights etc) and examined a chrysalis from a caterpillar my daughter made a home for in a jam jar- zero cost to me and pretty broad imvho.

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