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AIBU to blame social science courses for some of this hatred of MrsT

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Grinkly Sat 13-Apr-13 13:30:35

I did an OU foundation social science course once. A major part was the detrimental effects of redundancy and unemployment on individuals and the community. It was interesting and spelled out how lives can be devastated by this.

The example was a Yorkshire mining town. It was a good course but I wonder if those, unlike me, who weren't around at the time of the miners' strikes have got a skewed view of why things happened.

Billy Elliot touches on the strikes too I think. But no background info is given, as far as I remember.

Am just amazed at the vitriol - especially by those not directly affected. And it was a long time ago. Don't want to start another debate unless someone has a new point to make.

Dawndonna Fri 19-Apr-13 10:53:45

Okay. I'm hiding this now. Lazaruss likes to make his points by bullying.
I did cow him because he wouldn't discuss his disabilist remarks publicly so he's decided the only way to get through is to use bully.
I have too much going on to be bullied by people who can't cope with being questioned.

YouTheCat Fri 19-Apr-13 10:14:23

Waiting for a coherent argument from some people.....




As to us not being in Vietnam a few pages back, that is balls. We may not have been there 'officially' but we had special services out there and our medical services were also used.

Dawndonna Fri 19-Apr-13 07:25:34

Tired and typing. Not that I have to justify myself to you.
But if it makes your smug little arse feel better, go for it. Because despite the fact that I have been up three times in the night, despite the fact that I had to rush into school yesterday, despite the fact that most of my contact is on here, your need to feel superior is obviously so much greater than mine.

LazarussLozenge Thu 18-Apr-13 21:20:27

@Dawndonna Phd[sic]

The Belgrano Inquiry was an unofficial inquiry led by a known revisionist.

Those who convened it had an agenda, those that attended had an agenda.

Those who believe it have no clue.

If you have a Phd from a reputable source you would have seen that.

All are encouraged to view.

BTW isn't it PhD?

Dawndonna Thu 18-Apr-13 20:55:20

The Belgrano Inquiry.

Dawndonna Thu 18-Apr-13 20:54:40

Shite, that Phd means nothing now. I'm wounded, so very wounded, and by an obfuscatory twat, too!

I do enjoy it when the particularly weak of intellect alter the facts to fit their views.

Fargo86 Thu 18-Apr-13 19:57:01

What evidence says the sinking of the Belgrano was illegitimate? Even the ARgentinians have admitted it was a legitimate act of war!

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 19:48:44

Fire away. I can't be a*rsed to engage with you anymore. Whatever I said you would put your own spin on it. If I said that the moon wasn't made of green cheese you would treat me to a long discourse of why it was and how you knew and how dare I insinuate that the man in the moon wasn't a war hero.

LazarussLozenge Thu 18-Apr-13 19:40:03

Seems I have entered in to a battle of wits with unarmed opponents...

Yes, Dawndonna and LaVolcan I mean you.

I would direct you to the definition of 'alleged'. Alas the finer points of warfare are well beyond your limited cognitive capabilities.

FasterStronger Thu 18-Apr-13 13:40:56

Dawndonna, why do you think the attack on the general belgrano was illegitimate?

It was outside the exculsion zone but we had already said we would attack any Argentinian forces whatever their location. Also no peace agreement had been reached.

The general bel was at sea to kill britsh soldiers to keep the flakland islands under Argentine control.

Dawndonna Thu 18-Apr-13 07:24:10

Oh God, it's back.
1) The evidence regarding the Belgrano says otherwise. Unlike you, the rest of the world responds to empirical evidence, ergo it was not legitimate.
2) ADHD thing. That would be because you are so obviously unaware of the difficulties of those with ADHD. I feel strongly about you 'working' with ADHD children as you obviously have no respect for them or their families, we know what you think, so nobody needed to pm you, did they.
3) Which bit of the message don't you get.
Go Away!

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 00:41:32

@Lazzarus You chose to put your own interpretation on my words, and then attack me for something which came out of your own imagination.

Others have posted about whether the sinking of the Belgrano was legitimate. You may not agree with them but of itself that doesn't make their posts disappear into thin air.

You can't be bothered to take up the ADHD thing. Just as well - you have had each such post deleted for breaking the talk guidelines. BTW the only posts to be deleted from this thread. Pity you mentioned it in the first place.

LazarussLozenge Wed 17-Apr-13 22:48:49

What an event.

Even those who protested were half way civilised (taking in to account they were protesting at somebodies funeral).

*LaVolcan Tue 16-Apr-13 09:28:52

The funny thing about all this 'cowardice' is that the statement that she wasn't came from the person who believed sinking the Belgrano was legitimate, and made offensive comments about the disabled, which resulted in their posts being deleted.*

The sinking was legitimate. No one has posted anything to suggest otherwise. Do you think Maggie just cuffed that descision? Or do you think she had legal advisers, political advisers, military advisers and Dennis?

She thought as she thought was right. Threat to the Task Force, threat has to go. Not 'ohh, will people like me?, will I get in for another term?'

You know what you insinuated with the whole 'Maggie went to Uni, why didn't she join up like the future Queen thing. Else you wouldn't have brought it up.

I really can't be bothered to take up the ADHD thing.

FasterStronger Tue 16-Apr-13 16:04:07

I quoted Lunatic Fringe.

It's all descended into nonsense now. For a while it was interesting. yep.

LunaticFringe Tue 16-Apr-13 16:00:13

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LaVolcan Tue 16-Apr-13 15:32:47

I haven't a clue who FasterStronger is, but the few posts I have read haven't persuaded me to his/her point of view.

We were asked if our opinions had been formed by social science courses. For just about all of us, as far as I can tell, the answer is no, that our opinions have mostly been formed by experience. Our experiences then get ridiculed or mocked, or we are called rabid delusionalists. You can call us what you like, but it doesn't make it so.

FasterStronger Tue 16-Apr-13 14:32:18

dawndonna - you can say what you like - as can I. I don't have to agree with you...

Dawndonna Tue 16-Apr-13 14:23:57

Try reading the thread, Faster. We all know where you are politically, you espouse your beliefs on every benefit thread there is.
On this one, people have put up reasonable, reasoned and informed arguments. Read them and stop being patronising.

FasterStronger Tue 16-Apr-13 14:15:23

bunch of rabid delusionalists who get their knickers in a twist if this is your rational argument, I think you need to try a bit harder.

LunaticFringe Tue 16-Apr-13 13:11:57

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

FasterStronger Tue 16-Apr-13 12:54:25

oh & you don't need to bless me, a half decent argument would do, if you can, thanks grin

FasterStronger Tue 16-Apr-13 12:53:13

from wiki "As a result Mrs Thatcher and her War Cabinet, meeting at Chequers the following day, agreed to a request from Admiral Sir Terence Lewin, the Chief of the Defence Staff, to alter the rules of engagement and allow an attack on the Belgrano outside the exclusion zone.[10]"

so who was in charge of the British forces? and if not MT, why does she get the blame for the sinking?

I did not say Commander I said commander.

YohedYoshoulderYonisandYotoes Tue 16-Apr-13 12:25:50

You could say, by the way OP that all learning that doesn't glorify our divine leaders is treacherous to the supreme dominance of our master race, and promote a strategy of witholding all knowledge unless it progresses the interests of the leader. Move to North Korea!

LunaticFringe Tue 16-Apr-13 12:18:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

FasterStronger Tue 16-Apr-13 11:56:44

she hadn't served during the war - she was PM when Argentina invaded the Falklands. She was commander of the British forces.

and serving in WW2 does not = military funeral.

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