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maxbradbury Sun 07-Apr-13 19:42:51

Ok flying home from Easter holiday. We went with a large group of us so all four children sat in the row in front with us sitting behind them on the plane. Cabin crew come through serving hot drinks and I have my nose in a book so do not notice. All of a sudden my six year old starts to scream. She had split hot chocolate all over herself . Turns out a member of crew asked if she would like a hot drink and she asked for a hot chocolate which was given to her without a lid or my consent. A member of crew took us to the loos and dressed to burn. I asked if it is normal procedure to give a young child a hot drink without consent and a lid. She said it wasn't and they would normally get consent and even then water it down with milk and pop on a lid.

Husband wants to make a complaint but I sort of feel I was partly to blame as I was not sat with her. She still has marks on her legs five days on. So am I to blame for not sitting with her or should I make a complaint?

clam Tue 09-Apr-13 11:08:30

Oh God, I'm back with another thought!
If the drink was still hot enough to hurt when spilled, then the trolley visit must have been fairly recent, and therefore still nearby when all the first aid kerfuffle was going on. That makes it even more hmm that the OP has no idea where she was or what she was doing.

<<goes back to proper work>>

Floggingmolly Tue 09-Apr-13 10:58:42

Indeed, groupie. One of the copious adults forming a ring around the children's seats say well have been asked for their "consent" to the child having the drink, but she can't remember that either.

MTSgroupie Tue 09-Apr-13 09:26:25

If my child was in a serious accident, where I was at the time and what I was doing would be permanently etched in my mind.

So I'm a bit hmm at the OP's claim to have a memory like a goldfish about the events leading up to the accident.

flaminhoopsaloolah Tue 09-Apr-13 08:53:46

I confess that Ive not read all of the thread.

2) There are airlines who fly unacompanied minors as yiung as six - I wouod hop cabin crew would be trained in something as simple as hit drinks and young children
3) All kids develop abilities at different times - plenty of six year olds I know spill drinks regularly
4) Hope your daughter is feeling better.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Tue 09-Apr-13 08:42:55


Ah yes, you are right. May well not apply here then.

stressyBessy22 Tue 09-Apr-13 08:34:40

Stressy that was a nasty comment about my daughter and it has been reported. Not every child who spills drinks is incapable or slow for their age.

I am sorry if you feel I have been nasty about your daughter.The point I was trying to make is that the six year olds I know can handle a drink as well as an adult would.

LadyBeagleEyes Tue 09-Apr-13 00:59:41

clam, I just snorted with laughter at your post.
I'm loving how we're all working out distance of trolleys, ratios of seats, hot drinks with or without lids and parental responsibility versus Health and Safety.
This thread is so MN and an utter joy.

Bartlebee Tue 09-Apr-13 00:41:07

Vivalebeaver's post has made me nervous! I don't like turbulence.

stressyBessy22 Tue 09-Apr-13 00:18:21

OP you are casting around for someone to blame for your own negligence!

clam Mon 08-Apr-13 22:22:32

"And the planes have two aisles so perfectly possible for someone to get to the loo while the trolley is doing its rounds too."

There's usually a trolley in each aisle simultaneously. But whatever, my point was that, once they're doing the rounds, it requires a plan of sorts to get to the loo. So I was therefore querying whether the OP would really have forgotten where she was during the drinks round.

<<wonders why I'm getting involved in this>>

Growlithe Mon 08-Apr-13 22:19:56

That six year old obviously did need supervising though. And they always need help with their things, with the TV selections etc.

And yes the planes have two aisles but in practise you use the one closest to you actual seat. I presumed this would be the nearest aisle to the child because I thought she would be sitting at least close to her.

Oh I'm only going on about this because I'm bored by Margaret Thatcher now. grin

ivykaty44 Mon 08-Apr-13 22:17:09

can I ask

how the hot drink was spilt?

squeakytoy Mon 08-Apr-13 22:10:16

"You couldn't expect them to take responsibility for a 6 year old for a whole long haul flight"

six year olds do not need that much supervision! I travel long haul regularly and see many kids that age, on night flights they are normally asleep anyway. Or they are glued to the films.

And the planes have two aisles so perfectly possible for someone to get to the loo while the trolley is doing its rounds too.

clam Mon 08-Apr-13 22:10:12

Who said anything about expecting the 12 year old to take responsibility for the whole flight? Mind you, that said, I would have expected mine by that age, to turn round in their seat and say to me, "Mum, babyclam is ordering hot chocolate. Is that OK?"

MaybeOrnot Mon 08-Apr-13 22:03:15

I wouldn't dream of complaining,and would zip my negligent,parental lips.

Growlithe Mon 08-Apr-13 22:02:59

clam but the oldest was 12, and sitting with an entertainment system in front of him/her. You couldn't expect them to take responsibility for a 6 year old for a whole long haul flight. That wouldn't be fair.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 08-Apr-13 22:01:10

Believe me in really bad turbulence you can't get out your seat to help anyone. I've been in a plane which dropped thousands of feet in seconds. I was strapped in but my bum was off the seat due to the g force. It was a full on staring death in the face, people screaming a vomiting few minutes.

In such a situation the kids would be on their own as you wouldn't be able to get them if they're on a separate row.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo Mon 08-Apr-13 21:57:13

i just think that people's jobs are SO precarious these days that i would genuinely think twice before complaining about an individual. the hostess, having made the mistake once, will not make it again in all likelihood.

clam Mon 08-Apr-13 21:53:22

I don't think it's crime of the century to seat your 6 year old with siblings/cousins/friends (particularly if they're older) rather than adults, BUT I do think it's a bit rich to then complain if something goes wrong. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to maybe write and point out what had happened, but I would word it carefully to make clear that I held myself ultimately responsible.

HoneyStepMummy Mon 08-Apr-13 21:44:08

Of course a six year old can sit in a row with a bunch of other kids with mum and dad safety behind them hmm. Just like a six year old unacompanied minor can sit by themselves next to strangers and order a beverage from a flight attendant.
I have always given kids cooled-down hot drinks, not just on a plane. You don't need to be an excited six year old to spill a drink. Flimsy styrofoam cups, a flimsy plastic tray table, turbulence...very easy for anyone to spill drinks.
This certainly was an accident, but the FA should know from experience not to give a small kid a super hot drink. FA's are on board for passengers safety and need to make good judgement calls. I'm sure the FA who gave her the drink felt really horrible!

Growlithe Mon 08-Apr-13 21:42:47

Yes squeaky, but it is what would happen in an emergency situation. I all the seats were occupied by the children, the parent would have to block the aisle when assisting the child with lifejackets and oxygen. This would put other passengers in more danger. If the parent is sitting with the child, assistance can be given whilst still in the seats and out of the away of the passageway.

Is it only me that can see the logic in this?

squeakytoy Mon 08-Apr-13 21:16:39

"I am just surprised they let child sit in row without adult supervision"

It was a walking talking six year old, not a toddler! They can cut up their own food, go to the toilet unaided, and use the inflight entertainment without any help. This child had parents immediately behind and grandparents directly in front, so they were sat as a group.

difficultpickle Mon 08-Apr-13 20:53:26

I fly a lot. I would love love love to not notice the trolley. Instead every flight I'm on I am always aware of how near the trolley is to me being served or going past me, bashing into my seat, having to wait forever for the trolley to go past so I can go to the loo etc etc.

I'm surprised that you would let a 6 year old sit with other children without supervision. There is a big difference between a 6 yr old and a 10 yr old. Also I think you are making an assumption that your 6 yr old looks like she is 6. If you don't have children it can be quite hard to guess ages. We were at a wedding recently. Ds is 8. I think he looks 8 in the sense he is similar in size and behaviour to his 8 yr old friends. Most people who didn't know him thought he was 12.

Go ahead and complain but be prepared to accept a good degree of contrib neg for your failure to supervise your child.

amiwhatorhow Mon 08-Apr-13 20:47:35

I'm 34 and I spilt a cup of tea yesterday.

amothersplaceisinthewrong Mon 08-Apr-13 20:47:06

Why were you to blame OP and not your DH.....

Actually no one was to blame, it was an accident. But probably best if an adult had been in the row (yes, yes, the short straw for someone, but hey ho!)

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