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Why on earth is their not a compulsory minimum bedroom size for new build properties?

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Skinnywhippet Fri 05-Apr-13 21:10:59

I recently looked around a show home in which one of the bedrooms couldn't actually fit an adult sized single bed. It me that is bizarre! Why was this house allowed to be marketed as 3 beds when it was clearly only really 2. I understand that new houses have small plots and gardens, but really, the stupid bedrooms really annoy me. There are so many different regulations on new houses, why not something simple like this to prevent a generation of matchbox sized houses.

niceguy2 Fri 05-Apr-13 21:13:23

I think there's enough building regs already. If the bedroom is too small then don't buy the house. You have a choice.

HollyBerryBush Fri 05-Apr-13 21:14:13

Nothing new, my M&Ds 3 bed 1930's semi had 2 double bedrooms and a thing that in reality took a cot

BikeRunSki Fri 05-Apr-13 21:15:26

That ^.

BikeRunSki Fri 05-Apr-13 21:16:14

Meaning what niceguy2 said.

LRDtheFeministDragon Fri 05-Apr-13 21:17:16

Why does a bedroom need to fit an adult-sized bed, though?

Surely it is useful for people who can't afford a big home, to be able to buy something that fits a couple of bunks.

CloudsAndTrees Fri 05-Apr-13 21:18:22

There isn't a compulsory minimum size because there doesn't need to be. No one is forced into buying a house they don't like or that isn't suitable. Developers do it because they are in it for profit, and they can make more profit on a three bed house than they can on a two bed with a generous cupboard.

Meglet Fri 05-Apr-13 21:19:05

There used to be didn't there? Parker-Morris standard or something (I remember mum talking about it recently). Not sure why it was scrapped.

HollyBerryBush Fri 05-Apr-13 21:21:03

LDR not everyone wants to move hosue as children get older.

we chose this house because it had everything we needed. Why would I have bought a house that could only fit a 'couple of bunk beds' when my children are going to grow into young adults, need their own space and so forth?

I'm certainly not going to keep weighing out stamp duty and solicitors fees more than I have to because children happen to have a habit of growing.

You buy wisely and you buy once, is my motto.

orangepudding Fri 05-Apr-13 21:22:56

I would expect a bedroom to at least fit a single bed in other wise it should be marketed as a nursery.

LRDtheFeministDragon Fri 05-Apr-13 21:23:06

I'm sure they don't, holly, but as someone who can't afford a house right now, the idea of cheap small houses being built doesn't seem all bad.

If you have the money to help everyone else buy once, feel free, of course.

ditavonteesed Fri 05-Apr-13 21:23:13

well I have a victorian house and you would struggle to get a full sze adult bed into the 3rd bedroom so its not new, 3 bed has always meant 2 beds and a boxroom, youngest child gets the box room and you have t hope they dont get too tall

Filibear Fri 05-Apr-13 21:23:43

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unebagpipe Fri 05-Apr-13 21:24:37

Parker Morris standards no longer used- not sure why. Social housing has new build minimum house sizes, plus a criteria of furniture that must fit into each room. Without these the development is not eligible for government funding.

Private newbuilds different kettle of fish. Potential purchasers will vote with their feet I suppose!

ReallyTired Fri 05-Apr-13 21:25:18

If you are buying house then you have a choice. However a certain percentage of new builds have to be put aside as social housing on sites in our area. I imagine that some poor family may well be told to put two teenage children in the cupboard box room because they are the same sex.

wonkylegs Fri 05-Apr-13 21:26:03

There are compulsory standards for the public sector (housing associations) but the private sector is free to build whatever suits them.
Parker Morris Standards (60's) were originally for public housing it was then extended to housing in New towns and all council housing. Local Authorities did use them for guidance and many did adopt them as a minimum for all housing but they were scrapped in a bid to reduce housing costs and encourage private sector building.
It did get the housing industry going but it had consequences.

MuddlingMackem Fri 05-Apr-13 21:28:15

Meglet Fri 05-Apr-13 21:19:05

>>>>> There used to be didn't there? Parker-Morris standard or something (I remember mum talking about it recently). Not sure why it was scrapped. <<<<<

This was brought in in the 1960s but as far as I can remember it only applied to council housing.

Our house has two bedrooms which would not hold much else if you put in regular single beds, but they are big enough for the shorty size beds. No house should be able to claim a room is a bedroom if it's too small even for one of those though.

Itsjustafleshwound Fri 05-Apr-13 21:33:22

But then most of the new build places are so well staged that things that look obvious and able to fit don't.

I am always staggered at how little effort/thought actually goes into a major purchase like a house .... So many are reeled in by clever staging.

Unless you are a numbers and someone who is able to visualise and have "3d" thought, unless I actually saw a bare room, I wouldn't be able to tell the size even if there was a minimum ...

HorryIsUpduffed Fri 05-Apr-13 21:34:11

People buy off-plan though and it is tricky.

There is a new development near us where the 4-bed houses can fit one double, one single, and two ... cots? What earthly use is that? Why not three actual bedrooms?!

If you can't fit a normal single and one other item of furniture in the room (wardrobe or cupboard of some description) then it shouldn't be able to be marketed as a bedroom.

On the other hand it is mad how many loft conversions can't be called bedrooms on a technicality.

It all makes RightMove porn more difficult angry

zwischenzug Fri 05-Apr-13 21:34:30

Unfortunately in this country it isn't common practice to market properties based on floor space in m2 the way most other countries do, so builders can simply build an extra wall (actually making the place even smaller) and put £30k on the price for an extra 'bedroom'. It baffles me but there does seem to be a large supply of mugs who will pay the premium.

I used to live on a new build development, there were 5 bed houses there the same size and the 3 bed ex council house I live in now, with much smaller gardens (but 3x the price).

New builds in general are very small and cramped due to John Prescott deciding that all new developments must have a minimum number of dwellings per hectare, you'll also notice new builds have almost no storage space, and show homes often have specially chosen smaller furniture to make the place look bigger than it really is.

EndoplasmicReticulum Fri 05-Apr-13 21:36:49

Houses do seem to be getting smaller again. Having said that my house was built in 1980 and one of our 'bedrooms' just about fits a single bed and nothing else.

My uncle lives in a house built in about 1700 and most of my family cannot stand up in his living room without hitting our heads on the beams.

zwischenzug Fri 05-Apr-13 21:41:23

The UK actually builds the smallest new homes in Europe.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8201900.stm

And we still don't manage to build enough of these shoeboxes to alleviate the housing shortage (or even keep up with the deteriorating situation).

toboldlygo Fri 05-Apr-13 21:50:11

My gripe with new builds is parking - every single one that's sprung up around here in the last five years doesn't allow for individual driveways, only communal parking areas with 1 to 1.5 spaces per house.

Aside from the rage inducing problems allocated parking spaces can bring, in my experience the vast majority of households with two working adults (and let's face it, without two working adults you can't get a mortgage) have a car each. Then when the kids grow up they have cars too, and stay at home for longer and longer because they can't buy a house of their own, and then you end up like all the small estates round here with cars blocking every road on both sides and people frothing with rage over parking disputes...

LRDtheFeministDragon Fri 05-Apr-13 22:05:35

Same or worse with plenty of older buildings, though. Our new place is Victorian terrace and has no parking, double yellow lines outside. I'd say shite public transport is an issue too - if you build a new, dense estate it should have bus links factored in as part of the planning permission.

Tenacity Fri 05-Apr-13 22:15:05

The reason they do it is greed...Rip-off Britain

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