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to think that 15 years sentence for Philpott is not enough?

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Missbopeep Thu 04-Apr-13 11:17:01

15 years for the deaths of six children?

I thought you could get 15 years or life for one murder ( and yes, I know the charge was manslaughter.)

The term life is meaningless if it's only 15 years.

DreamsTurnToGoldDust Thu 04-Apr-13 12:45:12

To even be considered for parole he would need to accept guilt I think? I shouldn't imagine he'd get parole very easily tbh. I do think the other two should have got life as well, but that's just my opinion.

Bossybritches22 Thu 04-Apr-13 12:54:54

I don't think Philpott will last long in jail. Not the sort to 8keep his head down is he?

And I'm reliably informed those step/stairs are notoriously slippy and of course the guards often can't see everyone can they? wink

I think the judge would have liked to give him more but as others have said her hands are tied. She did at least give it a lot of thought & did what she could.

FreudiansSlipper Thu 04-Apr-13 12:56:44

Why not read what the judge has said and engage your brain instead of jumping on the lynch mob bandwagon

He will serve a minimum of 15 years and does anyone here really believe he will behave in prison he will not be coming out

janey68 Thu 04-Apr-13 13:01:57

Don't want to hijack the thread, but that issue about new identities is interesting and I wonder if anyone on MN knows about it from a professional view - though not sure how much they're allowed to divulge! I assume Maxine Carr wouldnt be able to just move abroad of her own volition. Because I imagine once you have had new identities, where you live, work etc is controlled by the police or a similar body. I guess the fact that she was desperate to reveal her true identity is an indicator of how one must feel- ie continually watching ones back. To blow her own cover must have felt preferable to waiting for a time bomb to go off. So I don't think anyone should feel that she's 'got away' with anything; her life must feel like a constant waiting game, and I believe she has kids now too which must make it worse. Not that I feel sympathy- she was convicted of a very serious offence.

Snazzynewyear Thu 04-Apr-13 13:16:25

Interesting piece from a criminal psychologist about the 3 convicted. Identifies Mick as narcissist and having sociopathic tendencies.

Wannabestepfordwife Thu 04-Apr-13 13:32:59

Can absolutely see your point janey it's just hard to sympathise sometimes.

With mairead I understand the judge taking the abuse she suffered into account but with Mosley he did a trial run so why the lenient sentence- is it because he turned against philpot?

TheCraicDealer Thu 04-Apr-13 13:36:23

Even if he does the minimum of 15 years, can't see him living too long beyond release- hardly a perfect specimen of good living, is he?

noblegiraffe Thu 04-Apr-13 13:41:15

If Maxine Carr keeps blowing her identity, then it's probably best to keep giving her new ones, not to protect her, but to protect those who might not be able to help themselves from doing something stupid and ruining their own lives.

Are there any high profile child-killers around who have been released?

VictorTango Thu 04-Apr-13 13:44:21

How could you know she has kids Janey?

Jins Thu 04-Apr-13 13:49:24

I don't think you can compare Maxine Carr with this situation. Maxine Carr was not in Soham at the time the girls were killed. She was found guilty of perverting the course of justice by giving a false alibi. She was given a false identity because of the likelihood of people doing her serious harm as some people failed to grasp that she actually didn't have any involvement in the girls deaths

Mairead Philpott has been found guilty of manslaughter. She'll serve her time and be out like any other prisoner. There is no precedent to give her a new identity

Snazzynewyear Thu 04-Apr-13 13:55:12

Wannabe the judge said, I believe, that Mairead and Moseley got lighter sentences because it was clear that Mick was the driving force behind the whole thing.

Jins the 'precedent' surely is about the emotive response to the crime and the likely reaction when she gets out? So in that case, there is a precedent. Same with Venables and Thompson, who have also served their time and come out but still got new identities.

janey68 Thu 04-Apr-13 13:56:15

Perverting the course of justice is a really serious offence though Jins. It's not murder, no, but to be fair I don't think the feeling against her is all because people are too thick to realise she didn't commit murder. It's because she was convicted of a very serious offence and actually got a very light sentence for it.

I don't know she has kids Victor, I said I believe she has, as this has been reported fairly widely on the internet at times

janey68 Thu 04-Apr-13 13:58:28

I think victor it was in the news that court orders had to be obtained to prevent her children from knowing her true identity

Jins Thu 04-Apr-13 14:02:00

Very few criminals are given new identities. The Bulger killers and Mary Bell because of their age, Maxine Carr for the reasons above

Witnesses are given new identities rather more frequently

Mairead Philpott will face the same reaction when she gets out as any other killer does. Baby P's mother is eligible for release and there hasn't been confirmation that she'll be getting a new identity as far as I know

WaterfallsOver Thu 04-Apr-13 14:04:06

I'd say philpot should be hanged. There's my two pence worth, I'm sure some child killer sympathizers will be along to say how capital punishment is wrong though.

Yellowtip Thu 04-Apr-13 14:11:21

How thick to say that being revolted by the idea of capital punishment equates to sympathising with child killing.

I agree with capital punishment, even so I don't think it would be appropriate in this case. That doesn't make me a sympathiser or apologist hmm

creighton Thu 04-Apr-13 14:28:10

yellowtip, you are quite right. waterfallsover's post shows why we have a formal judicial system. people don't get to offer rough justice to anyone they please. i don't believe in the death penalty, but people like him and the one who killed baby Peter test your resolve. if someone dropped a rock on his and philpott's head, it would be no loss to society.

creighton Thu 04-Apr-13 14:30:06

hasn't maxine carr disqualified herself from going to live in another country? who would want her? you have to be 'perfect' to get into other countries, she is not.

Snazzynewyear Thu 04-Apr-13 14:30:17

I do not agree with capital punishment and I know perfectly well I am no 'child killer sympathiser'. Feel free to have your own opinion but don't draw idiotic conclusions about other people's values as a result.

TigOldBitties Thu 04-Apr-13 14:30:50

Pagwatch I don't think its something everybody means but I can certainly believe that some people would, maybe even a few more depending on the nature of the harm inflicted to said child.

This case only happened recently. I've certainly seen reports of similar revenge attacks.

Pagwatch Thu 04-Apr-13 14:36:29

I am not doubting it happens sometimes Tig.

I am just doubting people who say 'in this unimaginable situation I would do x' because I think it is simplistic and not born out by the remarkably small number of people who actually do x

TigOldBitties Thu 04-Apr-13 14:51:07

Yes I think obviously the percentage of people who post comments like that are taking a simplistic view and are unlikely to have this as their primary thought if something awful were to happen.

However, of all the events or horrible situations in life, I know that families and more specifically children can drive you to do things you previously wouldn't have even contemplated.

I'm sure if you've ever seen anyone harm your child in the slightest way you've felt a reaction so whilst agree it comes from a simplistic and not entirely balanced or factual place, there is often some personal evidence for making such a comment.

Floralnomad Thu 04-Apr-13 15:03:42

Unless they keep him in solitary he will probably not get out of prison courtesy of some other prisoners . She is obviously quite vulnerable but didnt come out of the Panorama programme looking any better as her family had obviously tried to get her away from him and she had chosen to stay . I do think her sisters both came across very well in the programme .His response in the courtroom as they took him down just about sums him up .

VictorTango Thu 04-Apr-13 15:11:18

Thanks Janey smile Those poor kids. Can you imagine finding that out one day?

What do you think Philpott meant when he said 'its not over yet'? Do you think he means an appeal?

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