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Sub-letting of council accommodation. Why are so many mothers on welfare who still have active sexual relationships with the father of their child, are not living in the flat or house allocate for the

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SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 13:30:36

I know of at least five relationships where this is happening.

The fathers are still, actively in the children?s lives, and there is no apparent relationship problem, but they are living apart.

The mothers live part or most of their lives at the parents? (council) houses and in some cases the fathers do as well, so that they can sublet their council houses. I have not reported them yet. Should I?

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 14:20:46

Amberleaf, they are not single, they are unmarried but in relationships with the fathers of their children.

archilles Mon 25-Mar-13 14:21:55

Log books? Don't you mean rent books. I wouldn't worry neither they nor their tenants will be covered by any insurance should they wish to claim.

AmberLeaf Mon 25-Mar-13 14:22:35


SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 14:22:56

They are stealthy in using the income well for their children's extra curricular activities.

They have told me because they believe that they can trust me hence my reluctance to report.

Catchingmockingbirds Mon 25-Mar-13 14:24:05

They wouldn't be telling anyone if they were stealthy about it.

UnChartered Mon 25-Mar-13 14:24:28

did anyone know that an anagram of SubLetFun is SlebButFun?

LadyBeagleEyes Mon 25-Mar-13 14:24:32

Your posts are getting more ridiculous by the second Op grin
How on earth do you know so much detail about the lives of five different people and their extended families?

archilles Mon 25-Mar-13 14:24:40

They have told me because they believe that they can trust me hence my reluctance to report

Well that will learn 'em won't it?

Euro disney you say?

SadGiantPanda Mon 25-Mar-13 14:25:46

^ go to coffee shops in respectable towns. ^

Ah, respectable towns. You've just made this sad giant panda a little less sad. smile

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 14:25:50

They tell the council they are single but they are not. I have no idea if this is some kind of dodge.

ophelia275 Mon 25-Mar-13 14:26:03

Definitely report them! Not only are they committing a crime - fraud, but they are probably not declaring rental income and they are depriving others who may be in desperate need of a council property.

All the people who say ignore, mind you own business, would you apply the same logic to someone breaking into a house or stealing from a shop. It is still a crime and is NOT victimless.

AmberLeaf Mon 25-Mar-13 14:26:07

Oh it's you.

SadGiantPanda Mon 25-Mar-13 14:26:28

Now I am very sad again because the italicisation failed. sad

SugariceisaGoodEgg Mon 25-Mar-13 14:27:05

hmm unbelievable, do they all go to Euro Disney together after having their nails done?

LadyBeagleEyes Mon 25-Mar-13 14:27:17

You'd have thought Disneyland Florida at least, wouldn't you archilles.
Won't someone think of the children?

SubLetFun Mon 25-Mar-13 14:27:20

Subletting must be fun for them, it is tax free cash for extra curricular activities for the children, at least they are putting their children first.

archilles Mon 25-Mar-13 14:28:19

Not much fun for the tenants either if they can only access the property during the week.
They are stealthy in using the income well for their children's extra curricular activities.

Not very wise to buy a BMW and go to Eurodisney then is it? Do they have a horse too?

UnChartered Mon 25-Mar-13 14:28:29

go to coffee shops in respectable towns

there you go

is it your massive fluffy paws getting in the way, Panda?

christ, these pandas need help with porcreation, now itallicisation

Sparklyboots Mon 25-Mar-13 14:28:41

I wouldn't 'shop' them even though I'm in a one bedroom flat with a DP and two children, on a never-ending waiting list. To my eyes, a few poor people making a bit of money in the way that all the rich landlords have done to the detriment of us all (I've got a good job, DP is self-employed but we can't afford market rents/ to buy in our area) isn't the problem. The problem is we have no rent controls, that the housing market is a free for all and people with family money are somehow granted access to housing, wealth and security that I don't have, just because my (very hard working) parents weren't middle class (in the proper sense, rather than the naice ham sense). People wouldn't be moved to manipulate for every penny they can get if their options for actual social mobility weren't so beyond the gift of all but a few.

Like I say, I'm no slouch - I've worked since I was 15, put myself through my under and post-grad degrees, bought a tiny house when I was still a student in a poor area that has accquired just a tiny amount of equity that I used to support myself and my family through my mat leaves (mat pay being what it is). I regard the whole shop-a-neighbour thing part and parcel of the fact we are NOT in it together, that the privileged classes want us fighting for a few tiny crumbs rather than have any part of their (inherited) wealth. No one is asking George Osbourne how many bedrooms he has. Or taxing him on them. Or using that tax (which given his substantial personal fortune would be impressive) to create enough social housing to fill needs - which we only have to do because our housing marked is so unregulated that while there are enough private residential homes to house everyone on the housing list and everyone on the streets and then some, some people still are insecurely accommodated and have no agency to change that situation.

So, I'd only say shop them if you want to support that inequity, OP. Even if there are thousands doing what you say, and illegally, they are only doing what people of every other social class does, but with impunity, i.e. manipulating the housing shortage to make some money. If you find that repugnant, fight the real enemy, and demand structural change in the housing market to make people who can afford it give up some of what they've got rather than the poorest class of people in the country give up the tiny amount that they have.

UnChartered Mon 25-Mar-13 14:29:05

#pisstake fail


UnChartered Mon 25-Mar-13 14:29:40

tell you what, don't report them, report me

because i'm going to call you a goady fucker

bochead Mon 25-Mar-13 14:30:07

Not 100% convinced this isn't another troll thread.

In my neck of the woods it's been a couple of decades since this sort of skullduggery was even possible for council or social housing tenants. The waiting lists are frighteningly long -we are talking years and overcrowding is the norm, not the exception for most families. Home visits by Health visitors, nursery workers, schools etc would soon pick up on anyone not reported by neighbours, (who tend to know someone on the list iyswim).

The move to local housing allowance (& the coming bedroom tax changes) mean that local councils have recently/will shortly be reviewing all benefit claimants ACTUAL housing situations.Council officers can and do make home visits, as do estate officers on the housing association estates.

SadGiantPanda Mon 25-Mar-13 14:30:14

Thank you, UnChartered. Yes, this keyboard is not very practical for sad giant pandas. sad

We are not really welcome in coffee shops in respectable town either. sad

archilles Mon 25-Mar-13 14:30:32

I agree LBE, poor kids. Only having their nails done, I would have expected at least leg waxing and possibly a tattoo for the youngest kids?

Do the children have double barrelled first names?

badfurday Mon 25-Mar-13 14:31:49

My next door neighbours are council tenets. Single parent family with three children in a 3 bed house. 10 years on and all the children are in their mid 20's. 2 years ago her son who must have been around 22/23, moved himself and 3 mates in. The mum was no where to be seen. They completely trashed the house and held house parties til 5am every weekend. I reported it to the anti fraud council department, and asked if they knew their council house was being sub let, 5 days later, mother of said son appears, boots son and friends out and pretends to live there when the council turned up. All seemed fine, then a year later, the woman's oldest daughter moves in with her abusive voilent husband. Neither of them work. I called the council to inform them and they couldn't give a toss. How is this fair? I and my husband work full time to pay our mortgage, and they live in a 3 bedroom house and don't work, and shouldn't even be living there! Id much rather the house is given to a family who needs it.

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