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This Judge is unbelievable. The case is horrific but he also blames her? Murder of Carmen Miron Buchacra

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vivizone Fri 22-Mar-13 22:50:12

I am so angry. How is this possible?

7 years for killing your partner with a 7 week baby because as Judge said:

'I accept what caused you to lose self control was the cumulative effect of emotional abuse by Gaby over a significant period.

Because they had been arguing by text all day. So clearly she abused him.

What planet are these Judges from?

AgentZigzag Fri 22-Mar-13 23:01:18

I've read this article on the 'this is bath' website rather than the mail, but you have to wonder at what was said to the jury for them to accept that the violent attack was due to an acceptable loss of self-control.

AmberLeaf Fri 22-Mar-13 23:01:26

Another case where it was clearly murder, yet is deemed manslaughter.

Im still reeling over the 3 yr 6 month sentence a man got for burning an autistic lad to death, so this doesn't surprise me.

Disgusting and so sad.

Einsty Fri 22-Mar-13 23:05:53

Seven years? Jesus wept. The recording is horrific ...

AmberLeaf Fri 22-Mar-13 23:10:13

Mother-of-one Gaby can be heard pleading for her life as Keene punches her, telling her to shut up or 'you will be dead'.

He can be heard snarling: 'Why are you crying?

'What the f* is your problem? What have I done to you today? Carry on like this and I'm going to end up in prison because you will be dead.

'I may kill you because you are a f**** t***.'

During the trial Michael Fitton, QC, prosecuting, told how Keene first tried to strangle Gaby using a dressing gown cord before switching to an electrical cable to ensure her death.

He told the jury: 'Her last words were, 'please don't', then silence.

'When he took hold of the dressing gown cord and wrapped it around her neck he was clearly trying to kill her.

'When he failed in that attempt and reached for the electrical cable he was showing a persistence to kill her that is at odds with his defence.'


How the hell is that not murder?

His defence was that she psychologically abused him

Yeah, sounds like it. hmm

LondonNinja Fri 22-Mar-13 23:11:25

It's just insane.

Poor woman. And that poor baby.

Startail Fri 22-Mar-13 23:20:42

Yes they had a child together, but he wasn't a SAHP financially dependent in her. He could have walked out and left her sandy time.

EA indeed, he must have had a fucking good lawyer.

edam Fri 22-Mar-13 23:27:56

Oh good lord, that is horrific. WTF is the judge on, claiming she abused him, ffs? Yeah, right, sounds like it when he's pissing off for an all day drinking bout and coming home to yell all that abuse at her. It beggars belief. HIS abuse of her is there on voicemail, yet he gets to throw all this shit at her and blame her for provoking him?!

AudrinaAdare Fri 22-Mar-13 23:32:41

Emotional abuse via text while he was out drinking and she was caring for the baby? I thought there was some protection in law for post-partum women.

It can't be manslaughter when he abandoned one choking method for a more lethal one, surely?

He has had all the justice that money can buy, hasn't he? Even with it all recorded.

Machli Fri 22-Mar-13 23:34:38

I was going to post about this earlier but couldn't work out where to put it. That fucker will be out in under four years with good behaviour and time already served, no doubt he will then get custody of the child whose mother he killed in front of her if recent cases are anything to go by.

I feel utterly despairing tonight after reading about this.

TheCrackFox Fri 22-Mar-13 23:36:29

I'm really fucking angry about this.

7 yrs?! He will only bloody serve half of this.

edam Fri 22-Mar-13 23:38:25

I think it's appalling that the judge was party to blackening the name of this poor woman, horrifically murdered in front of her baby. I can see why defence lawyers attack the victim - horrible but a tactic they use. But the judge should have made it very clear it was ridiculous. The facts are, he was out drinking all day, the facts are he came home and attacked her, the facts are his horrible abusive tirade is recorded for everyone to hear, the facts are it wasn't a moment of madness, it was a sustained attack where he had time to change the weapon he was using because she wasn't dying fast enough for him... and still the judge blames the victim?!

WafflyVersatile Fri 22-Mar-13 23:42:00

Well the jury would have had more info that the newspapers give us. Women can be abusive too and tip their partners over the edge the same as vice versa.

However it would be foolish to think that the outcome of court cases are not affected by jury bias, different quality of representation, judge bias etc.

It's unfair to say because he was not financially dependent on her he could have walked out at any time. Any victim of abuse can do that theoretically but the nature of abusive relationships keeps people there. That works for men as well as women.

LapsedPacifist Fri 22-Mar-13 23:46:08

She had apparently threatened several times to leave with the baby and go back to her home country. And this justifies him murdering her? angry

Machli Fri 22-Mar-13 23:48:00

I've had some horrendous text battles with my ex, terrible things said on both sides.

I don't feel that anything I ever said has been deserving enough to tip ex over edge into strangling me, using two different "tools" when the first did not prove to be effective.

It's all on tape. He was NOT tipped over the edge to a moment of madness it was a prolonged and purposeful attack.

It CANNOT be defended.

Machli Fri 22-Mar-13 23:52:20

I've just read the other excerpt linked too as well. Apparently the detective inspector who led the case expressed frustration with the verdict last year. So the police who would have done all the investigating and I presume read the text messages were frustrated with a verdict of manslaughter and said so publicly.

TheCrackFox Fri 22-Mar-13 23:54:47

I think most new mums would threaten to leave their partner if they were left at home all day with a new born whilst he spent all day getting pissed in the pub. Threatening to leave is not emotional abuse, merely stating a fact.

The judge should be ashamed of his comments. Imagine how get family felt after hearing that summing up?

FastidiaBlueberry Fri 22-Mar-13 23:57:52

We all need to write to [ the attorney general's office]

FastidiaBlueberry Fri 22-Mar-13 23:59:14


FastidiaBlueberry Sat 23-Mar-13 00:01:14

Yes absolutely crackfox.

A man who goes on an all day bender with a young baby is clearly the one who is doing the abuse.

Normal men don't do that.

Smellslikecatspee Sat 23-Mar-13 00:05:15

I read about this earlier, and desperately thought there has to be more to this.

But there isn’t is there?

Just another situation where a woman has been killed.
And its ok ‘cause well she’s just a woman after all.

AudrinaAdare Sat 23-Mar-13 00:06:46

Anyone up to summarising the feelings on this thread so that subsequent posters and readers can just C&P / tweak?

I was very grateful for the people who did this on AmberLeaf's about the autistic young man. It took less than a minute because all the relevant information was there.

AudrinaAdare Sat 23-Mar-13 00:09:18

Sorry, should have said that I'm not able to do it or I would, believe me.

Willing to add my voice though and share it further.

quoteunquote Sat 23-Mar-13 00:14:05

So he will be out with in three years and raising their child.

Her family must be devastated.

Soupa Sat 23-Mar-13 00:17:29

Dreadful dreadful sentencing. The poor family.

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