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chocoholic05 Thu 07-Mar-13 11:33:28

My dc are in reception and year 2. They have lways started at 845. They wait in the playground outside their classrooms and at 845 their teacher opens the classroom doors calls them in and the parents go back through the playground and the gates are closed. Has always been this way. We are never late. We live over a mile away and until halfterm we caught a direct bus which were every ten minutes.
At halfterm this all changed. The bus outside the school closed. Bus routes have been drastically changed. Not only do I have to walk further when we get off the bus but the buses are now every twenty minutes not ten.Theirs been campaigns petitions etc all sorts so far to no avail. Despite this they still get their for quarter to every day. A few minutes before that most days.
Last Friday we got a letter saying that from Monday the school bell will go at twenty to nine the children will be collected by their teacher at that time and then the gate will close at quarter to! So now despite the fact we aren't arriving there any later this week than last everythings changed. We are fighting against a sea of parents leaving the playground the playground is empty of children and I rush them off quickly and hurriedly and the starts in this stressed fashion! It's awful and ds2 says he misses going into school with his friends. It's awful sad

cumfy Fri 08-Mar-13 14:26:38

Hope you're all enjoying the fresh air.

DCs' minds should be settled and receptive after a good 30 minute walk.

DontmindifIdo Fri 08-Mar-13 14:11:29

well that sounds much better, and walking that way and back each day will give you lovely thighs. And you'll save money with not paying bus fares. And your DCs are arriving a nice 5 minutes before they need too. I see no downsides to this development...

jazzandh Fri 08-Mar-13 14:07:48

Think how amazingly fit you will be though! I hate public transport would much rather walk and predict my arrival time than stress about a bus arriving....and I always took DS1 into school early so that he could run around and let some steam off before being cooped up in a classroom....

Mornings are stressful enough though without having to adjust your routine by a large amiount and leave earlier due to an arbitary school decision.

SallyCinnamonandNutmeg Fri 08-Mar-13 14:06:05

I am going slightly against the grain here. I don't think you are being unreasonable with being slightly annoyed with the school for changing the start time as it seems as if they have not given a specific reason for this. There is probably not a lot you can do except walk or get earlier bus as has been suggested here ad nauseum. But I would just ask the school the reason why things have changed and perhaps let them know that it's had an impact on your day.

chocoholic05 Fri 08-Mar-13 13:59:58

Today we set off just past ten past eight and got there Just before twenty to. My reception child's teacher called hers in a minute or so before the bell went. No idea why! ds2s teacher called them in a minute or so after the bell. The gate opens at 835 that bit hasn't changed. Then I walked home as wasn't prepared to wait twenty minutes for a bus when its not much more walking. I'm MUCH quicker than my boys! Will also walk to pick them up - same reason!
Basically I'm tired!!!

alemci Fri 08-Mar-13 13:34:14

yes I see Permanently. Just seemed such a struggle having to get a bus etc and OP seemed quite hassled which I remember feeling myself with 3 kids under 4.

You must be very healthy and fit with all that walking smile

Permanentlyexhausted Thu 07-Mar-13 22:32:05

Yes, Alemci, a 5 minute difference but part of the OPs complaint is that the new bus/school times mean the early bus that would definitely get her there on time is too early and she would have to wait around for 15 minutes or so before the start of school. I'm suggesting that maybe other parents were having to do that before and have benefitted from this new start time. There was nothing about dropping kids off and leaving them.

We live 30 mins walk from DS's school and he has to be there at 8.25. DD's school is a further 15 minute walk after that. Perhaps that's why I'm not seeing the big problem.

alemci Thu 07-Mar-13 22:04:49

Permanent - I thought it was only 5 mins difference between the original start and the new start. OP had to get there 5 mins earlier. you cannot just drop the kids in the playground at 8.20 and go unless things have changed.

I was very fortunate and lived near DCs primary so I was sympathetic to the OP. Mine go to secondary now and make their own way.

Permanentlyexhausted Thu 07-Mar-13 21:27:09

Alemci - oh, don't get me wrong! Of course time is precious. I can assure you that every second of my time is just as precious as every second of yours. But that is exactly the point, isn't it. Everyone's time is precious, not just one mothers. It is no-one else's problem that the OPs home and school location and travel-to-school arrangements are such that a 5 minute change to the start of the school day seems to cause such a problem. I wonder if you and she have considered that there may now be other parents thanking their lucky stars they no longer have to wait around for 15 minutes before the start of the school day. Time is precious and not just to a chosen few.

HildaOgden Thu 07-Mar-13 20:34:35

Give feedback directly to the principal.You'd be suprised how many of the other parents are possibly feeling the same way,venting about it...but not actually saying anything to the person who is ultimately responsible for it.

If they realise it isn't working for parents,they may well change it back.After all,they changed it once already,they can change it back again.

Otherwise,I think you will need to get the earlier bus.(I wouldn't fancy a 30 minute walk in the pissing rain with reluctant kids either).

MrsLouisTheroux Thu 07-Mar-13 19:08:42

It's aPITA but easy to solve the problem. Get the bus 20 mins earlier and take your time on the walk from the bus stop, chat in the playground and have a relaxing start to the day. smile

Fakebook Thu 07-Mar-13 18:58:27

Leave earlier. Not really much else anyone can suggest.

TheSeniorWrangler Thu 07-Mar-13 18:54:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

alemci Thu 07-Mar-13 18:40:19

no but is it the end of the world if they are occasionally late.

As I said before it is no fun being in a cold playground for 20 mins before the start of school and I agree with Sarah about time being precious.

foxache Thu 07-Mar-13 18:39:37

The changes have made the OP's morning routine suddenly much more difficult. It sounds as if she had a good structure in place until four days ago, it's unfair of the school to have changed so suddenly.

Why did this thread have to turn into attacking her? After the first ten or so posts telling her to walk, surely you know she would have got the message, didn't it feel like ganging up?

RustyBear Thu 07-Mar-13 18:25:49

There used to be a requirement for Governing bodies of community and voluntary controlled schools to consult parents before changing the times of the school day, and a change to the start or finish was only supposed to happen at the beginning of a school year, but this requirement has recently been revoked. But there is still a general statutory duty on governing bodies to act reasonably. Our LA has interpreted this in guidance to Governors as meaning there is an expectation they will still consult 'as they consider appropriate', and give reasonable notice to parents.

poshme Thu 07-Mar-13 18:17:30

Slight red herring here, but all the people expressing amazement at people not walking when it's only 30 minutes- it's 30 minutes walk for us, along a country lane with no pavement, with very bad visibility and speed limit of 60mph. We very rarely walk as its so dangerous.
Walking isn't always as easy as people suggest.

tiggytape Thu 07-Mar-13 18:07:36

Alcemi - if you live on the same road as the school then you have the option to decide to arrive in the nick of time. The journey is predictable and not reliant on buses / getting tired walking
If you live a 20 minute bus journey away, you can't do that reliably. You can either aim to be there in the nick of time but have a major stress on days when things run later than planned. Or you can aim to be 15 minutes early knowing you've given yourself some room just in case the bus is late or the kids walk slowly from the bus stop.

On the basis that buses don't run every 5 minutes, most people decide to catch the one that will get them there early rather than in the nick of time to save the stress of risking being late. That's just common sense. You cannot expect the school or bus company to run things to suit people who don't fancy hanging around for a few minutes.
Or OP could walk everyday - in which case she could time the journey in advance and leave the house at the exact time needed to get her there for 8:44am

Permanentlyexhausted Thu 07-Mar-13 17:56:28

Alemci If you got there before in the nick of time at 8.45 why have they made it earlier.

Sarah Why should you wait around for 15 extra minutes so school can start 5 minutes earlier. No way would I waste 15 minutes of my time to benefit someone else by 5 minutes - my time is valuable.

Because the school does not operate to satisfy the whims of one mother! Obviously!

I can't quite believe what I'm reading!

SarahBumBarer Thu 07-Mar-13 16:44:13

Eh - YANBU. Why should you wait around for 15 extra minutes so school can start 5 minutes earlier. No way would I waste 15 minutes of my time to benefit someone else by 5 minutes - my time is valuable.

It's beyond unreasonable for the school to change the start time without consulting with the parents on this and taking things like bus times into account.

alemci Thu 07-Mar-13 16:30:14

YANBU who wants to hang around in the playground if it is raining and cold for 20 mins. If you got there before in the nick of time at 8.45 why have they made it earlier.

sounds a bit of a hike. I was very fortunate as the school was on the same road where we lived so my kids fell into school. I hated hanging around in the playground but would get them there on time.

jazzandh Thu 07-Mar-13 16:24:10

get a scooter yourself if you haven't a bike. Excellent adult scooters around now.

Permanentlyexhausted Thu 07-Mar-13 16:08:55

I can't understand why you'd go on the bus if you still had a 10 minute walk at the other end. Just walk it, and get the kids to ride scooters or bikes.

badguider Thu 07-Mar-13 15:35:07

A week's notice is not a lot to change the start time (even though it is only by 5 minutes), I would ask the school why they've changed it so suddenly.

However, I would agree with those who say that travelling under your own steam (foot, scooter, bike) you have far more control over your travel time for a journey of about this length.

Hiphopopotamus Thu 07-Mar-13 15:33:26

I'm going to go a little against the tide here - I can understand your frustration. As someone who regularly takes public transport, I understand where you're coming from. For someone that drives to work/school, a five minute earlier start means adjusting your morning by 5 minutes. For someone reliant on public transport, it can mean adjusting your whole morning schedule to fit in with timetables. It's annoying!

However, if I was you, I would probably get the earlier bus - better to have too much time, than not enough!

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