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To have some sympathy for Nicola Edgington?

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lougle Mon 04-Mar-13 22:25:51

Report from BBC

This woman had killed before. She knew she was a danger to the public. She dialled 999 four times to tell them that she needed sectioning to prevent a killing.

I know she did what she did. I can't imagine what her victims' families are going through.

I do feel some sympathy for her though. She tried to get herself out of circulation.

soulsurvive55 Thu 27-Jun-13 21:58:39

Another local newspaper reporting on Oxleas Trust

soulsurvive55 Thu 27-Jun-13 21:32:57

We have to wait for some zombies to sort out the big bosses of Oxleas. Or are they the zombies responsible for the deaths of so many people they are supposed to care for?

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 23:57:28

Of course they can, it's just sometimes people don't notice so it's worth seeing it pop up in ThreadsImOn. Or that was my thinking, I've always found it helpful when other people do it.

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 26-Jun-13 23:55:33

Sometimes zombie threads can be very interesting and have a continuation

MalenkyRusskyDrakonchik Wed 26-Jun-13 23:17:46

This is a zombie thread.

soulsurvive55 Wed 26-Jun-13 22:51:49

The local newspapers have been voicing concerns for some time

soulsurvive55 Wed 26-Jun-13 22:40:09

BexleyFemale777 is the only one to be worried about the bosses of Oxleas Trust.

Read the stories here

OhDearNigel Thu 20-Jun-13 22:56:25

I had dealings with her during the original murder investigation of her mother. A scary young woman. After that experience i cannot believe she was free to murder someone else. She should never have been released from secure accomodation

mignonette Thu 20-Jun-13 22:55:07

Manipulative is a typical perjorative used about patients for various reasons.

In my experience as a RMN, a patient is most likely to be labelled as manipulative when a health or other professional lacks the skills to work with them and does not understand the mechanics of a personality disorder and the way it impacts upon functioning. They fail in their interactions with them and then project the feelings it engenders back onto the patient....

I have great sympathy for everyone affected by this awful, preventable tragedy.

Alisvolatpropiis Thu 20-Jun-13 22:50:34

I think the victim was failed more than the murderer was in all honesty. But yes the murderer was failed too.

LadyPam Amber one of the least empathic people I have ever met, ,truly an unpleasant piece of work, is a fairly senior mental health professional with the authority to section people. My blood ran cold the moment the person said "if I had my way I'd have all the fucking nutters shot". I haven't seen them since.

BexleyFemale777 Thu 20-Jun-13 22:02:44

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Flojobunny Thu 07-Mar-13 20:11:01

Latara don't be embarrassed. I hope you found the strength to make the call and have got some additional support.

ATouchOfStuffing Thu 07-Mar-13 19:06:53

What I can't understand is how the judge called her actions 'selfish' ! Even in her mentally confused state she was trying to protect other people.

AmberLeaf Thu 07-Mar-13 14:39:23

Hope you get it sorted and are feeling a bit better soon.

Latara Thu 07-Mar-13 13:42:24

I know i should call my CCO but i get embarrassed; but i will call her.

AmberLeaf Thu 07-Mar-13 11:35:46

Hi Latara.

Why not give your CCO a call to check?

ike1 Thu 07-Mar-13 10:12:42

I assume she was not sectioned at that point and therefore was free to one is to blame...this was a very regrettable and VERY unusual case.

Latara Thu 07-Mar-13 10:06:16

It is possible for stressful situations to bring on 'breakthrough' psychotic symptoms which is what i'm finding at the moment... i'm unsure whether to call my CCO or not because maybe i need my meds increasing.
Can i just say that i would never harm anyone else though just because i have this problem.

Dawndonna Thu 07-Mar-13 08:32:39

Lack of empathy is also prevalent in psychopaths and ASD (to name the obvious)
That may well be the case with psychopaths. The latest research (Baron Cohen, Digby et al) demonstrates that in fact the opposite is frequently true.

AmberLeaf Thu 07-Mar-13 00:03:58

Lack of empathy is also prevalent in psychopaths and ASD (to name the obvious) and loads of other conditions

That is not strictly true. [the ASD part]

There isn't just one type of empathy, people with ASD tend to lack cognitive empathy, but not emotional empathy, but there is a lot more to it than that which Im sure you know.

It's about putting yourself in their shoes and thinking about what might help them

That's one aspect of it yes, but again, a lot more to it than that.

Most people think they have empathy when really they have sympathy

Well I know the difference between the two.

Flojobunny Wed 06-Mar-13 23:22:37

You'd be surprised what people say when they ring 999 or to hospital receptionists. But yes I'd have thought it was a good indication of psychosis.
But a hospital receptionist or indeed security can't hold someone.
The police could have though but I think they were sent away.

Domjolly Wed 06-Mar-13 23:16:25

The people at reception and also again when she called the police she got frustrated that no one in the hospital was pay any notice to her if t hey just checked her blinking name

It took the police two minutes to check who i was when they pulled me over thinking i was a black man under my base ball cap last night at the pertol sataion so why couldnt they check i wouldnt of thought most people ring up and say i killed i might kill again please keep me locked up ffs

Flojobunny Wed 06-Mar-13 23:11:23

Is that what she said? That is bad. But who did she say it to? The person on reception or the oncall psych?

Domjolly Wed 06-Mar-13 23:04:08

I just cant belive somone walked into A&E said i have killed before i hearing voices and may kill again and they did what just let her walk out un bloodly belivable

If you cant get some one to save you from your self then i give up she even called police on herself in her despration

Flojobunny Wed 06-Mar-13 23:02:29

Lack of empathy is also prevalent in psychopaths and ASD (to name the obvious) and loads of other conditions. What is your problem with personality disorder?

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