Are the right wing media trying to make Heather Frost (council six-bedroom eco-home) top herself?(79 Posts)
And then what? cost the taxpayer even more by kids going into care?
It is relentless. I haven't stopped hearing about this woman and her children for ages now. There is NO way them kids are not paying the price at school. Their pictures are up!.
Heather Frost does not seem very bright and that is why the media have even been able to get interviews with her. She has been incredibly exploited.
This thread is not the rights and wrong of benefits - that has all been done. It is how the media can get away with this type of bullying of an individual. Give the woman a break! Even her Father is on it! below is his interview.
'Don't give my lazy daughter a £400,000 home.......make her get off her backside and work!' The father of notorious benefits mother speaks for Britain
Heather Frost, 37, lives in two houses which have been knocked together
Father, Roy Frost, has condemned his daughter as 'lazy'
The 72-year-old worked his whole life, including a stint in the RAF
Has seven children in one house, while the rest live with her in the other
Now Tewkesbury council has agreed to build her six-bedroom eco-home
Family own a horse and spend £200-a-month on stable fees
Heather Frosts new eco-home is, to use estate agent speak, a stunning contemporary living space in a sought-after location.
The house, which is still a few months off completion, has six bedrooms, three bathrooms and a huge living/dining area, ideal for entertaining.
The rear of the £400,000 property, near Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, offers fine views over fields stretching to the Malvern Hills in the distance. Yes, theres a railway line at the bottom of the garden, but you cant have everything, can you?
This week, a storm broke over the house which is being built for her and her 11 children at taxpayers expense when she coolly informed her local newspaper that the property was being built to her own specification, and that if she wasnt happy with any aspect of the design, it would be changed accordingly.
Disappointed: Roy Frost has condemned his daughter's lifestyle as he had worked for 50 years including a stint in the RAF
Wearyingly, that is almost certainly true, for the good burghers of Tewkesbury Borough Council are bending over backwards to please 37-year-old Miss Frost, who has never done a days work in her life, currently occupies two council houses knocked into one (which she says is too cramped) and is quite content to let the taxpayer foot the bill for her households day-to-day expenses.
Indeed, so well does Miss Frost do on benefits that she treated her current partner to flying lessons and has the money for her own horse, Annie, which is ridden by her 16-year-old daughter and whose upkeep apparently costs around £200 a month.
Few people, if anyone, have come out in support of Miss Frost, who first fell pregnant when she was 14. So this week the Mail sought out her father, to seek his views.
Perhaps his daughter has been misunderstood? Is she perhaps a well-meaning woman who suffers from an overabundance of maternal feeling which has led to her having so many children by a variety of fathers up to five?
Not according to Royston Frost, 72, who is angry and ashamed of his daughter. Indeed, he confesses that even he doesnt know the identity of the fathers of two of his daughters 11 children.
I didnt tell my daughter to have 11 kids, he says. I tried to stop her at five, but you cant tell someone in their 20s what to do.
Ever since she had her first child, she hasnt been able to work because shes had to look after all those kids.
She should have got off her backside and got a bloody job like the rest of us. Shes on all the benefits she can get.
Heather, 37, has had eleven children (pictured), two of which have had kids of their own.
Heather with daughters Page, 11, Till, 3 and Daisy, 5. She said that the new house will be built to her exact specifications
Dont get me wrong, shes a good mum and her kids are always clean she just has too many of them.
I cant stand what shes become. Shes lazy. I didnt raise her to be lazy. Im not lazy. Ive worked all my life until retiring five years ago.
The worst thing about the whole mess is the horse. How the hell can she afford to keep a horse when some people struggle even to put food on the table?
Family rift: Heather's (left) dad Roy Frost (right) has condemned the mother's lack of work ethic and that she continues to take from the taxpayer
Mr Frost says his daughter does not deserve the 1,850 sq foot eco-house that the council is so diligently building for her.
They should give it to a family that really needs it, he pronounces. The house she lives in at the moment is a state. I hope she respects what the council has done for her, and that shell look after the new house. But I know she wont.
Following an appearance on daytime television to defend herself, Miss Frost has been lying low at the council property where the family currently live in the village of Churchdown, Gloucestershire.
Heather gave interview on ITV's Daybreak to try and defend her actions
Heather's 16-year-old daughter Angel claims that she pays for the horse, Annie, herself
Heather's appearance on television caused an outcry across the country
Her current accommodation comprises two council houses with an adjoining door on the ground floor.
On the front drive is a battered blue Robin Reliant, with a note on the dashboard saying tax in post, a motor bike, a white minibus which Miss Frost claims has been loaned to her by a friend, and a skip.
The back garden is strewn with rubbish.
Miss Frost may be a loving mother, but no one could ever accuse her of being house-proud.
When the Mail called on her, she came to the door still wearing the make-up from her appearance on Daybreak, with pink hair and missing front teeth. She declined to be interviewed, saying shed had enough of all the fuss.
Annie the horse is the latest addition to the Frost family, and costs around £200 a month to keep
There was no sign of her partner, 57-year-old James Martin (known as Jake), a jobless lorry driver who is the father of her five youngest children. He may also be the father of another child, whose paternity appears to have been under dispute (more of which later).
Heather says they are still together, but admits he does not live at the family home anymore. She told one reporter that she was married, but the Mail has been unable to find a marriage certificate.
Heather Frost was born in Cheltenham in 1975 to Royston Frost and his wife Pamela, who had two other children, Deborah, now 44, and Neil, 42. Royston spent five years in the RAF in his 20s and then worked for the next 40 years in factories around Tewkesbury.
Around the time of Heathers birth, the couple divorced, but they remarried in 1977. They split up and divorced a second time, and Royston remarried in 2003, to a woman called Coral Allen, with whom he lives in Tewkesbury.
When she was 14, Heather fell pregnant with her first child, Sophie, with her then-boyfriend, John OReilly, then 23, and gave birth in July 1991. (Sophie, now 21, has a two-year-old son, Ashley).
Two years later, in August 1993, Heather gave birth to a son, Toby, now 19, whose father according to the childs grandfather, Royston is a man called Toby Stevens. (Toby junior now has a one-year-old son of his own, Tyler.)
Three years after that, in October 1996, Heathers 16-year-old daughter, Angel, was born. Royston Frost has no idea who Angels father is.
In July 1998, Heather gave birth to her second son, Jay, now 14. According to Royston Frost, Jays father is an Asian shopkeeper, but he knows no more than that.
The council has knocked through two houses to create a larger one for the family, who have lived there for five years
Chloe, 13, arrived in February 2000. Royston Frost believes her father is John OReilly (the father of her first child), though on her birth certificate the father is not named.
These five children all have their mothers surname.
A year later, in February 2001, Paige OReilly was born. Her name suggests the father is John OReilly, but her birth certificate does not name the father.
It is rumoured, in fact, that Jake Martin is Paiges father. Indeed, last year, Miss Frost appeared on an episode of ITVs The Jeremy Kyle show wouldnt you just know Heather Frost had been on Jeremy Kyle? in which the paternity of one of her children was discussed.
According to birth records, Jake Martin is the father of Heathers five youngest girls Emily, who turned ten on Tuesday, Bethany, eight, Ruby, seven, Daisy, five, and Tilly, three.
Royston Frost says Heather told him that Jake Martin had wanted a baby boy, which may be some sort of explanation as to why she kept having more children.
She has also said she doesnt believe in abortion. Or contraception, clearly.
Their front garden, which holds a skip, a battered mini van, an old Robin reliant and a new car
The back of the property is strewn with rubbish and a giant trampoline for the children
The two eldest children no longer live with their mother. As well as nine children in the two adjoining properties, there is a macaw called Jake, a black Labrador called Katie, two Chihuahuas called Pebble and Teddy, a cat called Kit Kate, two guinea pigs, Bubble and Squeak, a rabbit called Eddie and three goldfish.
So thats nine children, a mini zoo and Annie the horse in a paddock down the road.
Just how does Miss Frost afford it? Tewkesbury Borough Council declined to reveal how much money the family receives in benefits.
However, the Mail logged on to the Department of Work and Pensions benefits entitlement calculator and entered Miss Frosts details, such as the number of children under 20 not in work and the fact that she is a lone parent and therefore excused from working.
The calculator totted up a sum of £865.92 per week owed to Miss Frost, made up of £71 income support, £526.40 child tax credit, £100 housing benefit, £27.62 council tax benefit and £140.90 child benefit.
Plans for the new £400,000 family home that heather claims she has complete control over
Over a four-week period, Miss Frost will receive £3,463.68.
Over the course of a year, that figure will give Miss Frost an annual income of £45,027.84. To generate that level of net income if Miss Frost were, perish the thought, in work, she would need a gross annual salary of £66,000.
Which explains a lot such as how Heather can afford a pony for Angel, although Angel claims she pays for the animal with money she earns from babysitting. Is she referring to babysitting her siblings?
It may also explain how Miss Frost had the money to pay for Jake Martin to have microlight flying lessons, which cost up to £115 an hour, for Christmas one year, according to Martins 34-year-old daughter, Leanne, from another relationship.
For her own part, Miss Frost claims she lives modestly and limits her children to £100 each at Christmas. Times that by 11. Thats £1,100 spare cash for presents, then.
Heather has been living at her two-house council home for the past five years. According to her father, one previous property the family lived in burned down.
She already had one house that burned down, and they were lucky then, he says. Mr Frost did not elaborate on the circumstances of the fire.
The Mail calculated that the Frost family would receive over £3000 per month in benefits, giving them an annual salary in excess of £45,000
The new eco-house, which the family is due to move into in June, has a modern, energy efficient design, and has been built using natural, locally-sourced materials. Extra-large windows will fill the house with natural light.
Miss Frost told the local paper: Its being built especially for me. If I get there and I say to them I dont like it, or its too small, then they will just have to build me a bigger one, wont they?
Perhaps the vista of the Malvern Hills wont be to her liking. Or she might decide she needs a house with a stable block for Annie.
Referring to her current accommodation, she said: We got this three-bed house and they knocked a doorway through to the one next door.
It was meant to be for four months but weve been here for five years now. It is a nightmare because you cant keep an eye on the children in the other house.
Tewkesbury Borough Council came up with the idea for the eco-house after selling a plot of land in the town to Severn Vale Housing association for a discounted price of £210,000.
The condition of the sale was that one of 15 homes they were building on the site would be given to Miss Frost and her family.
But Heathers father, for one, says she should make do with her current property.
What they should do, is the council should properly make those two houses into one.
Two years ago, Miss Frost was diagnosed with cervical cancer and the treatment is said to have made her sterile. That was a blessing in disguise, if you ask me, says Mr Frost.
I know its my daughter, and I would do anything for her, but the damage has been done. Shes got 11 children, and that cant be undone.
This week, the mother-of-11 defended herself, saying shed been planning to set up her own business running a shop, but then fell ill.
She claimed she was having second thoughts about the new house. Im not sure whether to take it because of all this s***.
Its now 50/50, she said, as to whether they will move in.
If you were to place a bet, what would you put your money on?
don't worry greensleeves, nice to see I'm not the only one!
Rhiannon Are you the great, great grandchild of Marie Stopes?
As for the rest, Leave the poor woman alone, she obviously has some difficulties. She was raped as a 14 year old. Whether she agreed to sex or not, it's still rape, a 23 year old has an, at least marginally, better idea of what he's doing. She probably slept with other people becuase she was looking for some sort of unconditional love, which she seems to have found in a man some twenty odd years older than her. This would suggest perhaps looking for unconditional love from a father who appears to a) have been in and out of her life, and b) is extraordinarily and imo harshly judgemental of his own daughter. Surely he should be offering help and support, but no, he seems happy to spout off to a newspaper about her.
I think the whole situation is incredibly sad, I also think that the benefit system is there for folk like her, folk who have slipped through the net of social services and have not been offered at a younger stage the help they need.
I say this as someone from a much wealthier background, both financially and culturally, whose step sister did much the same sort of thing for a while. Because we had the intellectual werewithal, social services were called and said step sister fitted with a coil after the birth of her second illegitimate child to unknown father. She is now the mother of five, the final three being the children of her partner, and due to counselling and the right help has held down a very high powered job in Australia for a number of years.
The money she's receiving is fucking PEANUTS compared to the amount being stolen by corrupt bankers/wasted on "defence"/ploughed into stupid government schemes, most of which involve vandalising what remains of our public services
this kind of crap is designed to distract us from the real news. And it works every time.
She's been turned into a bogeyman to distract everyone from what the government is doing (screwing the economy, as the ratings agencies have noticed) and from focusing on those who caused the crisis and still haven't been held to account.
Feel extremely sorry for her kids being the victims of this sort of hate-filled ranting by the national press.
Just had a quick look. It seems that existing claimants are affected but that it is being slowly rolled out. Will cover all UK by this Sept
However, like the bedroom tax debacle, it sounds fair in principle, yet the government have found a way to implement it so that it screws the needy yet probably doesn't affect many of the graspers
I'll not be holding my breath that this will be any better
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I thought they weren't reducing it for big families that already exist just future big families to kind of deter (sp? Doesn't look right!) people from breeding forever for benefits. No clue where I read that though.
She might not lose the money. Hasn't an amount been put aside for special cases? Perhaps her circumstances might be reviewed and she will be classed as such. Who knows!
So all this bloody fuss and she will lose a great load of that money soon anyway? Jeez, what a waste if time and column space!
An upper cap on benefits regardless of the number of children would be a start.The average UK wage would seem fair? Wage earners have to decide on their family size based on how many they can provide for and house without overcrowding, so claimants should have to as well.
Meh, I thought that was being brought in? Or was that just another bloody sound bite?
The fathers/mothers of these children need to be held more accountable. They can not be allowed to walk away from their responsibilities. A parent may not want the ex partner contributing but if the parent is claiming benefits they are not in a position to dictate that. The father/partner should still have to contribute into the system regardless whether they are in the child's life or not. They may choose to walk away from the relationship but they shouldn't be allowed to dodge the financial responsibility of that parent/child responsibility.
But explain how you'd amend the system. I know it's easy to breezily say that you'd amend it somehow, but what would you actually change?
Whether we like it or not, she is trapped on benefits. she brings home the equivalent of £66,000 gross salary in benefits, so in effect 'net' of childcare
Just how do people expect her to get a job that would bring in that PLUS the childcare? If any if us were in her situation, could we afford to do anything different?
Yes the system is too generous. Yes it needs amending.
But it is the system that is at fault, not the person. Yet the easy target is the person, so we bully and harass them
while sidestepping the real issues
The woman doesn't sound happy at all and I didn't see the interview. Only someone with a hole in their life has 11 children from 5, or however many, rubbish men. This isn't a good life however much bravado she shows. I just hope there are strong adults in the childrens lives - they will need a lot of support not to be equally damaged.
Well I don't know about you but when I'm in my dotage I expect several generations behind me to still be running society effectively, be that bin man or brain surgeon.
Fact of the matter is: there are now more retired people than there are sub-16's. You eventually end up with an unsustainable demographic of old folks.
1 in 4 babies born this year have a projected life expectancy of 100 years.
It could be suggested that to support the needs of the elderly, society needs to produce more children - or alternatively we could take the Logans Run approach and stop over populating
Well, no Boney that's not all.
I KNOW that when a 23 year old man impregnates a 14 year old child and does no prison time, he has raped her and gotten away with it. So that one can go back on the list.
I have my opinion on a man that sells poisonous shit to a newspaper about his own daughter too. But you're right, I'm assuming he's a prick. I don't know that for a fact.
Agree - her partner may or may not be living there, her daughter may or may not receive support for her child. DM has made sweeping assumptions as to her income by putting random figures into the online benefits calculator. She wouldn't cooperate with them (perhaps having a deal elsewhere or just wishing to be left alone) so they made the rest up and found her father for comments!
However, while I do think there is an element of returning to the stocks with this type of story, those most vulnerable to exploitation need to be careful not to make themselves targets by using the media in the first place. Where is the JK support system now ?
Why does the system need to be addressed? This woman's situation is so rare that she's been newsworthy for days - this is far from a common situation. I challenge anyone to come up with an alternative system that won't be far worse - and cause tremendous repression.
This is so rare that the only real reason to change things is to punish so-called immoral women. Change would only affect women and children, and I really think that that's something women need to consider before advocating stocks or Magdalen laundries or forced sterilisation or whatever ghastly scheme would be put in place.
what we actually know is
"She has ELEVEN children that she manages to keep clean(?)
She worked then got cancer so stopped working.
She's moving from temporary housing. Because it's temporary."
The rest is assumption.
Agree with Hecate it's the system that needs addressing.
What I don't understand is the number of people (I am talking generally - in the news, in the street, on the radio, on the net, etc) who are saying what she should have done, what she shouldn't have done, she should have worked, she shouldn't have had so many children, she shouldn't have made this decision, she should have done that.
For example, I was listening to the radio the other day and there was a phone in and the number of people who were saying these children shouldn't have been born was staggering!
Well, some, all, none... of that may be true, but unless someone has a time machine they've neglected to tell the world about - there is a woman here with 11 children. They exist. Now, we can all peer through the Retrospectascope and go on about choices that should or should not have been made but that doesn't change a thing and it is cruel to the children to make an example of this woman for political reasons. To basically parade her through the streets for the Good Folk to chuck eggs and tomatoes at her
If there is something about the system that needs to be changed, so that people know that the money/housing/whatever that is available will only provide for X children/will only provide for the number of children that are there at the time the help is first requested and none born after that/<insert all the other possibilities here> then fair enough. Have that discussion. About a system. Discuss changing a system.
But I am very uncomfortable with the way this woman - and more importantly her children are being held up for a beating!
HoHo, they have to include "Asian", it's their duty to keep their racist readers frothing <sarcasm intended>
It's a joke of a newspaper. I feel sorry for Heather. Oh, and caring for 11 children (plus grandchildren) is not lazy. Maybe not ideal, but not lazy. I'd rather work a 70 hour week!
The only thing I kind of agree with in that article are the comments about the upkeep of the property. It is her duty to keep that property and garden in good condition and not have rubbish strewn everywhere. That really narks me.
With regards to:-
The fathers - it is no ones business who they are, the media are out of order. Also, why the reference to the 'Asian shopkeeper'? 'Shopkeeper' would have sufficed.
Marriage certificate - how dare they go delving for that.
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