Are the right wing media trying to make Heather Frost (council six-bedroom eco-home) top herself?(79 Posts)
And then what? cost the taxpayer even more by kids going into care?
It is relentless. I haven't stopped hearing about this woman and her children for ages now. There is NO way them kids are not paying the price at school. Their pictures are up!.
Heather Frost does not seem very bright and that is why the media have even been able to get interviews with her. She has been incredibly exploited.
This thread is not the rights and wrong of benefits - that has all been done. It is how the media can get away with this type of bullying of an individual. Give the woman a break! Even her Father is on it! below is his interview.
'Don't give my lazy daughter a £400,000 home.......make her get off her backside and work!' The father of notorious benefits mother speaks for Britain
Heather Frost, 37, lives in two houses which have been knocked together
Father, Roy Frost, has condemned his daughter as 'lazy'
The 72-year-old worked his whole life, including a stint in the RAF
Has seven children in one house, while the rest live with her in the other
Now Tewkesbury council has agreed to build her six-bedroom eco-home
Family own a horse and spend £200-a-month on stable fees
Heather Frosts new eco-home is, to use estate agent speak, a stunning contemporary living space in a sought-after location.
The house, which is still a few months off completion, has six bedrooms, three bathrooms and a huge living/dining area, ideal for entertaining.
The rear of the £400,000 property, near Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, offers fine views over fields stretching to the Malvern Hills in the distance. Yes, theres a railway line at the bottom of the garden, but you cant have everything, can you?
This week, a storm broke over the house which is being built for her and her 11 children at taxpayers expense when she coolly informed her local newspaper that the property was being built to her own specification, and that if she wasnt happy with any aspect of the design, it would be changed accordingly.
Disappointed: Roy Frost has condemned his daughter's lifestyle as he had worked for 50 years including a stint in the RAF
Wearyingly, that is almost certainly true, for the good burghers of Tewkesbury Borough Council are bending over backwards to please 37-year-old Miss Frost, who has never done a days work in her life, currently occupies two council houses knocked into one (which she says is too cramped) and is quite content to let the taxpayer foot the bill for her households day-to-day expenses.
Indeed, so well does Miss Frost do on benefits that she treated her current partner to flying lessons and has the money for her own horse, Annie, which is ridden by her 16-year-old daughter and whose upkeep apparently costs around £200 a month.
Few people, if anyone, have come out in support of Miss Frost, who first fell pregnant when she was 14. So this week the Mail sought out her father, to seek his views.
Perhaps his daughter has been misunderstood? Is she perhaps a well-meaning woman who suffers from an overabundance of maternal feeling which has led to her having so many children by a variety of fathers up to five?
Not according to Royston Frost, 72, who is angry and ashamed of his daughter. Indeed, he confesses that even he doesnt know the identity of the fathers of two of his daughters 11 children.
I didnt tell my daughter to have 11 kids, he says. I tried to stop her at five, but you cant tell someone in their 20s what to do.
Ever since she had her first child, she hasnt been able to work because shes had to look after all those kids.
She should have got off her backside and got a bloody job like the rest of us. Shes on all the benefits she can get.
Heather, 37, has had eleven children (pictured), two of which have had kids of their own.
Heather with daughters Page, 11, Till, 3 and Daisy, 5. She said that the new house will be built to her exact specifications
Dont get me wrong, shes a good mum and her kids are always clean she just has too many of them.
I cant stand what shes become. Shes lazy. I didnt raise her to be lazy. Im not lazy. Ive worked all my life until retiring five years ago.
The worst thing about the whole mess is the horse. How the hell can she afford to keep a horse when some people struggle even to put food on the table?
Family rift: Heather's (left) dad Roy Frost (right) has condemned the mother's lack of work ethic and that she continues to take from the taxpayer
Mr Frost says his daughter does not deserve the 1,850 sq foot eco-house that the council is so diligently building for her.
They should give it to a family that really needs it, he pronounces. The house she lives in at the moment is a state. I hope she respects what the council has done for her, and that shell look after the new house. But I know she wont.
Following an appearance on daytime television to defend herself, Miss Frost has been lying low at the council property where the family currently live in the village of Churchdown, Gloucestershire.
Heather gave interview on ITV's Daybreak to try and defend her actions
Heather's 16-year-old daughter Angel claims that she pays for the horse, Annie, herself
Heather's appearance on television caused an outcry across the country
Her current accommodation comprises two council houses with an adjoining door on the ground floor.
On the front drive is a battered blue Robin Reliant, with a note on the dashboard saying tax in post, a motor bike, a white minibus which Miss Frost claims has been loaned to her by a friend, and a skip.
The back garden is strewn with rubbish.
Miss Frost may be a loving mother, but no one could ever accuse her of being house-proud.
When the Mail called on her, she came to the door still wearing the make-up from her appearance on Daybreak, with pink hair and missing front teeth. She declined to be interviewed, saying shed had enough of all the fuss.
Annie the horse is the latest addition to the Frost family, and costs around £200 a month to keep
There was no sign of her partner, 57-year-old James Martin (known as Jake), a jobless lorry driver who is the father of her five youngest children. He may also be the father of another child, whose paternity appears to have been under dispute (more of which later).
Heather says they are still together, but admits he does not live at the family home anymore. She told one reporter that she was married, but the Mail has been unable to find a marriage certificate.
Heather Frost was born in Cheltenham in 1975 to Royston Frost and his wife Pamela, who had two other children, Deborah, now 44, and Neil, 42. Royston spent five years in the RAF in his 20s and then worked for the next 40 years in factories around Tewkesbury.
Around the time of Heathers birth, the couple divorced, but they remarried in 1977. They split up and divorced a second time, and Royston remarried in 2003, to a woman called Coral Allen, with whom he lives in Tewkesbury.
When she was 14, Heather fell pregnant with her first child, Sophie, with her then-boyfriend, John OReilly, then 23, and gave birth in July 1991. (Sophie, now 21, has a two-year-old son, Ashley).
Two years later, in August 1993, Heather gave birth to a son, Toby, now 19, whose father according to the childs grandfather, Royston is a man called Toby Stevens. (Toby junior now has a one-year-old son of his own, Tyler.)
Three years after that, in October 1996, Heathers 16-year-old daughter, Angel, was born. Royston Frost has no idea who Angels father is.
In July 1998, Heather gave birth to her second son, Jay, now 14. According to Royston Frost, Jays father is an Asian shopkeeper, but he knows no more than that.
The council has knocked through two houses to create a larger one for the family, who have lived there for five years
Chloe, 13, arrived in February 2000. Royston Frost believes her father is John OReilly (the father of her first child), though on her birth certificate the father is not named.
These five children all have their mothers surname.
A year later, in February 2001, Paige OReilly was born. Her name suggests the father is John OReilly, but her birth certificate does not name the father.
It is rumoured, in fact, that Jake Martin is Paiges father. Indeed, last year, Miss Frost appeared on an episode of ITVs The Jeremy Kyle show wouldnt you just know Heather Frost had been on Jeremy Kyle? in which the paternity of one of her children was discussed.
According to birth records, Jake Martin is the father of Heathers five youngest girls Emily, who turned ten on Tuesday, Bethany, eight, Ruby, seven, Daisy, five, and Tilly, three.
Royston Frost says Heather told him that Jake Martin had wanted a baby boy, which may be some sort of explanation as to why she kept having more children.
She has also said she doesnt believe in abortion. Or contraception, clearly.
Their front garden, which holds a skip, a battered mini van, an old Robin reliant and a new car
The back of the property is strewn with rubbish and a giant trampoline for the children
The two eldest children no longer live with their mother. As well as nine children in the two adjoining properties, there is a macaw called Jake, a black Labrador called Katie, two Chihuahuas called Pebble and Teddy, a cat called Kit Kate, two guinea pigs, Bubble and Squeak, a rabbit called Eddie and three goldfish.
So thats nine children, a mini zoo and Annie the horse in a paddock down the road.
Just how does Miss Frost afford it? Tewkesbury Borough Council declined to reveal how much money the family receives in benefits.
However, the Mail logged on to the Department of Work and Pensions benefits entitlement calculator and entered Miss Frosts details, such as the number of children under 20 not in work and the fact that she is a lone parent and therefore excused from working.
The calculator totted up a sum of £865.92 per week owed to Miss Frost, made up of £71 income support, £526.40 child tax credit, £100 housing benefit, £27.62 council tax benefit and £140.90 child benefit.
Plans for the new £400,000 family home that heather claims she has complete control over
Over a four-week period, Miss Frost will receive £3,463.68.
Over the course of a year, that figure will give Miss Frost an annual income of £45,027.84. To generate that level of net income if Miss Frost were, perish the thought, in work, she would need a gross annual salary of £66,000.
Which explains a lot such as how Heather can afford a pony for Angel, although Angel claims she pays for the animal with money she earns from babysitting. Is she referring to babysitting her siblings?
It may also explain how Miss Frost had the money to pay for Jake Martin to have microlight flying lessons, which cost up to £115 an hour, for Christmas one year, according to Martins 34-year-old daughter, Leanne, from another relationship.
For her own part, Miss Frost claims she lives modestly and limits her children to £100 each at Christmas. Times that by 11. Thats £1,100 spare cash for presents, then.
Heather has been living at her two-house council home for the past five years. According to her father, one previous property the family lived in burned down.
She already had one house that burned down, and they were lucky then, he says. Mr Frost did not elaborate on the circumstances of the fire.
The Mail calculated that the Frost family would receive over £3000 per month in benefits, giving them an annual salary in excess of £45,000
The new eco-house, which the family is due to move into in June, has a modern, energy efficient design, and has been built using natural, locally-sourced materials. Extra-large windows will fill the house with natural light.
Miss Frost told the local paper: Its being built especially for me. If I get there and I say to them I dont like it, or its too small, then they will just have to build me a bigger one, wont they?
Perhaps the vista of the Malvern Hills wont be to her liking. Or she might decide she needs a house with a stable block for Annie.
Referring to her current accommodation, she said: We got this three-bed house and they knocked a doorway through to the one next door.
It was meant to be for four months but weve been here for five years now. It is a nightmare because you cant keep an eye on the children in the other house.
Tewkesbury Borough Council came up with the idea for the eco-house after selling a plot of land in the town to Severn Vale Housing association for a discounted price of £210,000.
The condition of the sale was that one of 15 homes they were building on the site would be given to Miss Frost and her family.
But Heathers father, for one, says she should make do with her current property.
What they should do, is the council should properly make those two houses into one.
Two years ago, Miss Frost was diagnosed with cervical cancer and the treatment is said to have made her sterile. That was a blessing in disguise, if you ask me, says Mr Frost.
I know its my daughter, and I would do anything for her, but the damage has been done. Shes got 11 children, and that cant be undone.
This week, the mother-of-11 defended herself, saying shed been planning to set up her own business running a shop, but then fell ill.
She claimed she was having second thoughts about the new house. Im not sure whether to take it because of all this s***.
Its now 50/50, she said, as to whether they will move in.
If you were to place a bet, what would you put your money on?
Small detail, I know, but just to clarify, I live very close to the house that is being built for her and it does not have views of the Malverns and I can assure you that if any one of you had £400,000 to spend on property you would not spend it on that. There is a train line extremely close by and from what i can see from the road I doubt there will be much garden at all. It is not a mansion by any means in fact the small terrace of houses they are building are quite ugly.
and its a smokescreen - or rather more like a waving flashing beacon, beckoning us to look in its direction so we aren't looking at the real big picture which is the government are fucking us over.
the daily mail have a fucking cheek publicising this shit
Lord Rothermere estimated a whopping £730 million fortune by the Sunday Times Rich List 2011, including ownership of £547 million of the value of the Daily Mail Group. Was domiciled in France for tax purposes - i dont know whether this has changed due to france's recent tax banding ( he may have gone the way of gerard depardeu)
Heather, 36, appeared on Daybreak earlier today to justify her lavish lifestyle
more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4804709/Dole-queen-Heather-Frost-might-not-want-six-bedroom-council-mansion.html#ixzz2LgF0OSJe yes picture of lavish this woman oh the lavishness, just look at the lavishness she oozes from her hair to her teeth to her bespoke couture gown
I really don't understand why this women is getting a bashing. Where is the fathers of these children.
Jesus fucking christ that's so full of venom. Really really vicious.
They don't see her as an actual person! The right wing media have been working for a few years now to dehumanise people, because it's easier to manipulate people into harming the most vulnerable in society if they're merely a negative label. Who wants to give money to a scrounger with a clown car womb when there are "deserving poor" like, for instance, cancer survivors. Oh dear, she's that too isn't she? And was a vulnerable child etc etc. Fuckers.
It's turned into a witch hunt, and now this woman's own father has lambasted her.
The way that I see it is that this woman was the victim of child abuse by getting pregnant at 14 to a man in his 20's. Why no intervention then? the father of this woman said I tried to stop her at five, but you cant tell someone in their 20s what to do.' no but you can help your 14 year old daughter who had been abused. You have failed as a parent.
This woman has little more than a primary school education, and has been failed left right and center. What happens when her kids leave home? It is sad more than anything.
What a dreadful father. Sounds like she had a far from ideal upbringing and an unstable childhood, and his reaction to her cancer is that it's a blessing. Parent of the year award for the smug bastard.
I don't agree with the way the kids photos have been plastered all over the papers. It's not their fault
Drove past the half built 'mini-mansion' yesterday, it looks very nice so far I must say. Would cost you or I £400,000+ I'd bet
The story ie what it is, that article is vile.
All new social housing must meet eco criteria.
It's vile. If people want to criticise the benefits system, that's up to them, but to target one woman like this is despicable. Who knows how vulnerable she is? Which of us would enjoy seeing articles about ourselves in which we're described as lazy scroungers in the national press? How must it feel for her children?
You might not like the fact that this woman has 11 children and is unemployed (and I agree, it's not an ideal state of affairs) but she has done nothing illegal. There are people out there who have done far worse stuff, but they don't receive this kind of vilification.
I read somewhere yesterday that she has only been on benefits for the past 6 or 7 years and is recovering from cervical cancer so can't work at the moment. If this is true and she has worked all her life (apparently she was going to start her own business before she got cancer) then it makes me really cross that the media are attacking her and her children in this way. And as for her own father... don't get me started.
Was she really on JK last year undergoing a DNA test for one of her brood?
These high profile cases are always designed toget the public up in arms about the whole welfare state. And it works a treat.
Situations like this annoy me because the state facilitates it. Something has gone horribly wrong if she wasn't given adequate contraceptive advice, given access to education as an adult and encouraged to make different choices with her life.
The whole thing will perpetuate. It's about time CBA was capped at 2 maybe 3 children.
However there is nothing in her life I would want.
The whole tone of that article makes me sick.
"She told one reporter that she was married, but the Mail has been unable to find a marriage certificate." so fecking what? its none of your business!
She'd have been better off keeping her head down - posing for the paper and appearing on TV was never going to do her any favours. As already said she doesn't seem that bright, and the media are just abusing that, IMO.
"It's about time CBA was capped at 2 maybe 3 children."
Why two or three? Why not one child?
Where's the childrens fathers in all this? Why aren't they providing for the children or are they a bunch of scroungers?
I've always been dead against women who pop so many kids out and expecting the tax payer to foot the bill but I think enough is enough.
It's the system that's at fault.
I wish papers would leave her, her football team, horse and parrot alone now..it's boring me now.
DM - pffft!
Just want to bring up the mini zoo comment. The woman has a few family pets, cat, dogs, rabbits...the norm. I can't believe they are even counting the fecking gold fish. Any thing to make it seem she is screwing people over.
Witch hunting at the DM's best. Wankers
Because with advances in medicine and peple living longer, we do need children to provide for us in our old age. Care homes wont be running themselves.
2 maybe 3 should suffice
Maybe if her father had shown a bit more interest in her growing up she wouldn't have got pregnant at 14 by a 23 year old (why aren't the media going after the rapist?). What a worthless piece of shite her father must me.
And looking after 11 children... that is a job isn't it, a bloody massive one. I can only just get out of the house in the morning and I only have 3 . Personally I would not have made her choices, but I think her situation is exceptional, and i am proud to live in a country where we look after the most vulnerable in society and don't toss kids out onto the streets to starve.
Why does society put up with this type of misanthropy? Where are the fathers of the kids, the absent ones who shag about then fuck off? Why aren't the media going after them? Unbelievable.
Heather gave an interview on Daybreak this week and put a lot of that straight but it seems to have been ignored.
1. There are 3 fathers, one of which is her current partner and is unemployed so unable to contribute anything more than minimal amounts to his children and the other two have had nothing to do with their children and won't contribute.
2. The horse was a gift from a friend which her daughter is responsible for.
3. She never said that she would just tell them to build another house if it was unsuitable, this has been fabricated.
4. She was in the process of setting up a store but was diagnosed with cervical cancer which left her unable to continue with the plans and the chance has not arisen again.
5. Heather has however since gone on to say that she may not accept the property on the ground that the media had printed revealing details including specific address which she believes may endanger her children.
I admit when I first read the story I thought she was vile but hearing her side has made me rethink and realise that her situation is far from ideal but there is always a reason behind it in her case it would seem that she has just had a bit of a rough ride.
So to summarise:
She is raped at 14 by a grown man, a man known to her family. He gets her pregnant and gets away with it.
Her own father is a creature.
She has ELEVEN children that she manages to keep clean(?)
She worked then got cancer so stopped working.
She's moving from temporary housing. Because it's temporary.
If she's lazy I'm a penguin!! She's raising an army of children. Wether you think she should have them or not is largely irrelevant. They're here now and she's taking care of them.
You show me a job that will cover child care costs for the 8 of her children that will need it!
I'm not saying she's a paragon but FFS the bashing is just vile.
I believe these stories come out so that when the government cut all the benefits and leave people in poverty the majority of people (mail/sun readers) won't complain and will be all for it as they have been manipulated and led to believe that this is mainly what their tax money goes on. The truth of the matter is this kind of situation is incredibly rare.
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