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To think that Esther Rantzen justifying her affair with a married father of three

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Fleecyslippers Fri 22-Feb-13 21:26:26

Is pathetic and self serving and nauseating. I hadn't realised her marriage started as an affair.

I dislike her even more now.

Mrsrobertduvall Fri 22-Feb-13 21:55:07

She's 72.

RedHotRudieParts Fri 22-Feb-13 21:58:21

He said 8th decade and it said she was in her 70's in 99 !

Mimishimi Fri 22-Feb-13 21:59:44

Are any of the children who Childline was involved with known to have been abused by Savile or others that they would not know except through this organization?

RedHotRudieParts Fri 22-Feb-13 22:00:11

Pah, 72. He got it bleddy wrong then. He'd be feeling me handbag round his head if he put ten years on me !

Viviennemary Fri 22-Feb-13 22:02:48

I started to watch it but switched over after a few minutes. She is such a self-justified fake.

squoosh Fri 22-Feb-13 22:13:32

I've no time for Esther Rantzen but the truth is that sometimes happy marriages can come from affairs. It doesn't follow that a relationship born out of deceit will always turn out to be a bad relationship.

FellatioNels0n Fri 22-Feb-13 22:13:39

He's deceased Pedalleur - she has painted their marriage as perfect for many, many years. A bloody sham

How was it a sham exactly? They were very happy and devoted until parted by death. I neither know nor care whether ER is a nice woman but she loved her husband and it seems her loved deeply her too, until the day he died.

Sometimes people marry the wrong person. Sometimes they marry the right person (at the time) but someone else even more spectacularly right comes along and nothing else can ever be the same again;, everything has to change, and people get hurt.

People change, they grow apart. It happens. It's awkward, sad and unpleasant but it's real life. Stop being so smug and small minded about it.

Fleecyslippers Fri 22-Feb-13 22:15:16

Not ashamed at all NorthernLurker. But Ms Rantzen would be proud of your moral outrage on her behalf wink

MorrisZapp Fri 22-Feb-13 22:17:22

How exactly was her marriage a sham? That's bullshit.

My mum had an affair with my stepdad. They've been together for 25 years. Twice as long as she was with my dad.

She's concerned about child abuse, not marital fidelity.

Themobstersknife Fri 22-Feb-13 22:24:19

If she is 72 then she is in her 8th decade is she not?
I must admit, I went off her a bit when she said what she did about JS.
But the comments about affairs are unfair. Sometimes people just get it wrong. I got it wrong with my ex. I fell in love with someone else when I was with my ex. It was the hardest situation I have ever been in. The someone else is now my DH and we have two gorgeous DDs. XDP is now happily married with children. I do not have a vacancy for a 'master'. Sometimes these things happen.

Fleecyslippers Fri 22-Feb-13 22:26:01

So people who devastate families by fucking other people and whose relationships are built on a foundation of lies and deceit don't ever cling desperately to their 'marriage' and paint it as the perfect relationship. Just so they don't lose face?

Actually, I know the answer to that one myself hmm

CloudsAndTrees Fri 22-Feb-13 22:32:31

I like Esther. It looks to me like she had a very happy and loving marriage.

ImperialBlether Fri 22-Feb-13 22:58:40

I think it's the 8 or 9 years that the affair was going on for, while she was visiting their family home, meeting his wife and children etc - that's what's so wrong.

FellatioNels0n Sat 23-Feb-13 04:35:51

YEs IB I would agree with that.

FergusSingsTheBlues Sat 23-Feb-13 04:54:28

What annoys me is where the happy couple parade about but do not have the tact or sensitivity to be discreet. Yes, your're happy together but at a massive price to another woman and, often, kids. Have some manners and stop flaunting yourselves like love's young dream. It really gets my goat.

FergusSingsTheBlues Sat 23-Feb-13 04:55:26

Yes, that and the level of deceit. How conniving...eight years? I would have either the energy or the patience.

lunar1 Sat 23-Feb-13 05:09:40

Yes people can get it wrong, so they should get divorced. Not lie and cheat, If they we're so perfect for each other why not wait a year till they had finished their marriages. No matter what there is never a valid excuse for an affair.

missingmumxox Sat 23-Feb-13 05:33:39

if we all wait to live a virtuious life, nothing good would get done, look at politicians, i would love to get involved like my Gran I used to post her leaflets as a child in the 80's, she even stood as an MP, didn't get in,
but I smoked dope on a few...numerious occations in my 20's, I have a close relly who have 5 children by 3 different fathers and I worked in the NHS, I would be cruficied by the gutter press!

meditrina Sat 23-Feb-13 06:24:16

It was well known her marriage started as an affair. My mother always refused to watch her for that reason.

littlewhitebag Sat 23-Feb-13 07:46:36

And we are all so perfect???

saintlyjimjams Sat 23-Feb-13 07:50:29

The 'nasty celebs you have met' threads in here are always amusing about ER (have no idea how true they are)

Thanks for linking to the Torygraph interview with ER's stepdaughter whoever did, interesting.

Megatron Sat 23-Feb-13 07:55:38

People have affairs all the time. Few of them broadcast it, write books referring to it or try to justify it.

The fact that people have affairs is one thing, people will make of that what they will, but I do object to someone who was so deceitful for such a long period of time portraying themself as some paragon of virtue.

That pisses me off more than the affair.

DreamingOfTheMaldives Sat 23-Feb-13 08:16:32

I completely agree FelatioNelson

My Mum had an affair with a married man when she was married to my Dad. Yes it caused hurt and upset but they have since married and are still together. My Mum said that she had always loved my Dad but she loved him like a brother (in later years) and that she had never loved him the way she had loved my now step-dad. Like any marriage they have their agreements and ups and downs but they are certainly not just staying together to legitimise what they did.

I was mature enough at 17 to understand and accept that relationships end and that people get hurt, and that you can hurt those you care about when striving to be happy. Perhaps OP you should try to grow up and understand this as well.

I'm so pleased that you (and some other posters on here) can be so bloody perfect hmm

DreamingOfTheMaldives Sat 23-Feb-13 08:17:29

Disagreements not agreements

Fleecyslippers Sat 23-Feb-13 08:32:35

Dreaming. Why didn't your mother have the guts to be honest with the man she made vows to ? Why didn't she have the integrity to walk away from a marriage ? There is an amazing irony in your contempt for those of us who detest affairs. I don't present myself as perfect. I leave that to Esther Rantzen.
At the end od the day, there are people who are weak enough and selfish enough to have affairs.
Lucily there are still plenty of us who have the moral fibre to respect the vows that were made. Am painfully aware that the pro affair brigade view those vows with contempt. I guess that's life wink

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