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That Zero VAT children shoes need to catch up with the size of kids feet

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Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 09:44:57

Hooping that venting my frustration on here will save me venting in front of my DD as we struggle to find shoes that fit her, are age appropriate and VAT free

She is 10, the height of a 13 year old, 4 out of the 12 girls in her class are the same height as her.

But it's the shoes that really get me, she is size 6 1/2. Not suprising when mine are size 8 and I was that size by the time I was 13 over 30 years ago. So it's not a new thing even!

Yesterday I tried to find her some basic trainers. Most sports shops stopped at size 5. Clarks had just one style for her to chose, thankfully they fit.

Returning home I've looked at Clarks girls shoes web site and the only options on there for her are basic black school shoes (thankfully they go beyond her size) and one pair of trainers. Nothing else.

AIBU to think that as childrens feet sizes have grown over the last few decades, that the VAT rules should keep up?

On a positive note, the ladies in Clarks were lovely, an elderly lady was trying in kids trainers and they were so lovely to her, really thoughtful and caring.

FredFredGeorge Fri 22-Feb-13 20:48:47

If the argument is that kids grow so fast they need new shoes regularly - then why do you buy such expensive shoes as clarks? Just buying something cheaper then the VAT won't be as relevant?

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 21:06:41

Because fredgeorge i want my children to have well fitting shoes with natural materials that let their feet breathe and because they have wide feet with a high instep and cheap shoes simply dont fit. Even getting european ones like ricosta or geox we dont get much choice.

Karoleann Fri 22-Feb-13 21:12:30

My 6 year old wears size 4, galling isn't it.

I think at least school type shoes should be vat exempt

quoteunquote Fri 22-Feb-13 21:47:15

dd age 9, has size 5
ds age 11, has size 9
ds had size 13, at age 13,

we are a tall family,

I spend a small fortune on shoes, and end up paying vat before they are even in the last year of primary school, as did both DH and my parents, tall people pay more.

my friend who has size 3 feet and he DH has size 5, all of her children have tiny feet, very small family,

the only way to make it fair is put VAT on all shoes except baby shoes, and find another way to get money back in parents pockets.

dayshiftdoris Fri 22-Feb-13 21:52:24

My son is 8 and is a size 5...

I wish I could get him 'cheaper' shoes but he has a wide fit AND a high instep... last time he needed trainers we tried a dozen pairs in Sports Direct and he couldnt even get his foot in even one pair... even the size up.
Couple that with a sensory issue relating to how shoes 'feel' due to ASD... well more than once I have wondered if shoes are really necessary hmm

So we go to Clarks... I hate Clarks shoes but I have no choice though I has become absolutely excellent at spotting a random wider style in supermarkets... his current trainers are Asda £13 ones but this happens very rarely.

And soon we will pay VAT too... DEEP JOY... I do not feel it's fair that I will pay VAT on his shoes for my 9yr old when my 42yr old sister (who is a size 3) does not pay VAT on her shoes!!

TheDoctrineOfSciAndNatureClub Fri 22-Feb-13 22:11:19

Does she buy shoes from a children's range, then? Cos I'm pretty sure an adult range that goes down to a 3 attracts VAT all the way down.

Hopeforever Fri 22-Feb-13 22:11:57

Well said 5madthings

I want my DD to have decent healthy feet when she is older. I'm do thankful my mum looked after my feet. I'll give her credit for her diligence there

5madthings Fri 22-Feb-13 22:13:32

My parents always insisted on well fitting shoes, I hated that as a teen,m but now I am grateful!

dayshiftdoris Fri 22-Feb-13 22:24:28


When it comes to flat boots, trainers and sandals then yes a lot of the time she buys from the children ranges.

She also buys a lot of children's clothes - Age 13-14 in jeans fit her and hoodies, cardigans, etc
(Though to be fair age 13-14 hoodies fit me too)

We are a small / petite family... apart from my giant son who is already nearly taller than me!!

defineme Fri 22-Feb-13 22:24:47

I'm 38 with size 8 feet and it was always crap-some shops still don't do size 42. I have friends with size 8 and 7 feet and we're not freaks, just generally over 5ft9.
Ds1 is 10, 5ft1 and in size 7 G -one pair of clarks trainers available (which were cheap) and school shoes (which were not).
Ds2 is 8 and a size 3 E width so he had the one pair of clarks school shoes in that size.
Dd1 is 8 and size 1 but an H width so she had the one pair of school shoes in that size.

Oh for children with bog standard F width feet that I could nip into next or somewhere and get a cheap pair of shoes.

sashh Sat 23-Feb-13 03:16:42

Maybe you should be able to claim it back like you can for items necessary for a disabled person's use.

So I can claim back the VAT on a walking stick because I need to use one, but if I was just buying it as a fashion accessory I can't.

I'm a size 5 and the shoes I wear day to day are boys school shoes or DMs - both bought without the VAT.

Lora1982 Sat 23-Feb-13 05:24:18

Tesco go upto size 8!

Want2bSupermum Sat 23-Feb-13 05:36:20

Here in NJ, USA they have a sales tax (VAT) free week in August when all the parents go out and stock up on school supplies such as backpacks, lunchboxes and stationary.

Shoes and clothes are exempt from sales tax if they cost less than $200. I think this is a great idea. Shoes and clothes are a necessity for adults and children. The limit of $200 is reasonable. If you can afford to spend more than this on an item of clothing you can afford the sales tax.

merrymouse Sat 09-Mar-13 14:54:00

Checked guidelines. If it can be shown that shoe is designed exclusively for under 14's then hmrc may agree to zero rate. Therefore Clarks could design size 6 shoes for children and zero rate them. Unfortunately there might be design issues - suspect a shoe that would fit the guidelines would not be that popular with 'Tweens'.

On the other hand, weirdly, girls clothes can go up to 28 inch waist and still be zero rated.

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