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To think it is ridiculous that a woman with 11 kids is getting a £400,000 house for nowt

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angelos02 Tue 19-Feb-13 09:59:59

Especially when most working people couldn't never afford to live somewhere costing that much?

seeker Tue 19-Feb-13 10:01:11

Where would you suggest she live?

SmiteYouWithThunderbolts Tue 19-Feb-13 10:03:07

I know, let's bring back the workhouses and REALLY make those kids pay for their mother's lack of work ethic. hmm

EstherRancid Tue 19-Feb-13 10:03:43

how is it for nowt?

are the family not living in it then?

i'm not opening that link, i think it contains stretching, bending and dramatisation of the truth hmm

HeySoulSister Tue 19-Feb-13 10:04:11

Are you trying to cause trouble op?

Lottapianos Tue 19-Feb-13 10:05:08

Just heard Nick Ferrari having the time of his life riling people up about this on LBC. People like him and the Daily Fail do love these extreme stories and use them as example of the whole of society going to hell in a handcart.

I do think that having 11 children is shockingly irresponsible behaviour and that applies to the men who took part in creating those children just as much as to that woman. Absolutely no-one, not even Brad and Angelina, could possibly have enough time, energy and enthusiasm (never mind enough money!) to give enough love and attention to 11 children. I fully agree it's not behaviour that should be encouraged or rewarded, but then again, these children do deserve to grow up in a safe, healthy, comfortable environment and apparently their mother can't afford to provide that independently.

I don't know what the answer is TBH

mrsjay Tue 19-Feb-13 10:05:15

it isn't her childrens fault she doesn't work and keeps having babies is it. councils build houses now and again for bigger families and disabled people this is 1 of those builds why does it matter to you

fergoose Tue 19-Feb-13 10:05:36

do the Daily Mail continuously print these type of articles to incite hatred towards anyone on benefits I wonder.

SomethingProfound Tue 19-Feb-13 10:06:25

Of course she shouldn't be given a house like that, they should top and tail and the little ones should go in the sock draw!

BlackAffronted Tue 19-Feb-13 10:06:28

It does seem unfair that they are building a custom house for her because she has so many kids. I would love more kids, but have no room and we cant afford bigger sad Because we work, we cant have more kids it seems like. Also, her attitude stinks - "If i dont like it, I'll just insist they build me another one!"?

HeySoulSister Tue 19-Feb-13 10:07:18

Those Eco houses are being built everywhere now anyway nothing new there

And I have a 5 bed HA brand new build 'eco' house myself!!!

Wise up op and educate yourself!

mrsjay Tue 19-Feb-13 10:07:32

they won't build her another house she has a house and her words mean nothing really she will be next weeks chip paper

mrsjay Tue 19-Feb-13 10:08:24

Those Eco houses are being built everywhere now anyway nothing new there

the eco houses are legislation now ( i think) most new builds have to comply

GooseyLoosey Tue 19-Feb-13 10:08:57

I am ambivalent about this.

Clearly the children need to be decently housed and we as a society should ensure that they are. However, I read about this woman in another paper this morning and her attitude was calculated to cause offence. She said that if she did not like the house, the council would have to build her another one. If that is really her view and not the product of selective editing, then I do have a problem with that.

Welfare should enable you to have a decent life, it should not leave you believing that you are entitled to whatever you want at the expense of other people.

HollyBerryBush Tue 19-Feb-13 10:09:18

I'd suggest she lives in a Victorian 2 up- 2 down, with a tin bath for good measure. And possibly a coal bunker too.

Dear god, a grandmother at 37, first child at 14; if each of her 11 have 11, thats well over 130 dependents that will never work and bleed the state. Hardly got any positive role models in their lives. Bloody sad really. I wonder how many fathers were involved with the making of that family and whether they have any financial input?

drjohnsonscat Tue 19-Feb-13 10:10:13

lottapianos is right. It isn't fair, especially when you read on here about people struggling with overcrowding and having to manage the needs of children with disabilities without enough space for carers etc.

BUT. It is an intractable problem. We have decided, as a society, that children must not suffer for the foolishness of their parents. We have decided it's not for the state to decide who can and can't have children and we also don't want children roaming the streets, barefoot and dying of hypothermia. There is also evidence that even in failing families, children on average do better with their own families than in care. So the options are very limited. It makes me frustrated too. But it's hard to know what else can be done.

Ashoething Tue 19-Feb-13 10:10:31

YABU op-this is mn where you are allowed to have as many kids as YOU want-never mind if you have no means to feed,house or clothe them. Thats someone elses problem clearly. To suggest anything else is to be accused of benefit bashing and a whole load of people will pile in wittering on about goats. Mark my wordsgrin

lougle Tue 19-Feb-13 10:11:46

1) She isn't being 'given' the house. She is being allowed to rent the house by the council.
2) It's a 6 bedroom house and she has 11 children and two grandchildren. That still means that at least two bedrooms will have 3 children in them.
3) The move frees up two 3 bedroom houses for other council tenants.

EllieArroway Tue 19-Feb-13 10:12:07

Do you understand that it's not about the woman? It's about her children.

She does indeed sound like a self-entitled cow - but we can't make her children suffer because she's a less than pleasant, responsible person.

The LA have a duty of care & they are meeting it. I, for one, am bloody glad that we live in a society that actually gives a shit about how other people live - even the children of feckless idiots.

MissyMooandherBeaverofSteel Tue 19-Feb-13 10:13:40

I bet myself that there was a daily fail link contained within when I read the thread title. I win.

mrsjay Tue 19-Feb-13 10:14:08

She does indeed sound like a self-entitled cow - but we can't make her children suffer because she's a less than pleasant, responsible person.

^ ^ that, I work with some unpleasant people but I am there for their children so you do get entitled unpleasant people with children ,

drjohnsonscat Tue 19-Feb-13 10:14:25

don't know about goats ashoething. But I agree it does seem to be hard to discuss this properly without being accused of benefit bashing. It's obviously not ok to have 11 children and no means to support them. But it's almost as if we are reluctant to say that for fear of accusing everyone on benefits of being feckless.

As I say, I don't know what the answer is. We can't take control of her womb - that's not the society we choose to live in. We choose to live in a free society and this is one of the outcomes.

eminemmerdale Tue 19-Feb-13 10:15:37

Why do people on MN defend these people? She is putting herself in the public eye and will get slated. the Dail Mail may be a hideous paper, but it is clearly a fact that this is being done for this woman - why shouldn't we all be a bit pissed off with her attitude??

ImNotDrunkIJustCantType Tue 19-Feb-13 10:15:58

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MorrisZapp Tue 19-Feb-13 10:16:15

I read the article. It continually referred to her new home as an 'eco home', and said that by using the latest in design, energy bills would be slashed. To me, that's the only positive part of it. All council new builds should be eco homes, its nothing for DM to sneer about.

I don't think that the mother in question will get another new house by moaning if this one doesn't suit - that's not how social housing works and total red herring there by DM, surprise surprise.

It's a tough one. Nobody wants children to be inadequately housed, but getting your own home built because you have 11 kids you can't support is obviously going to grate with people who limit their families and/or pay for their own housing.

I don't have any answers. Presumably families this size are relatively rare.

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