To be worried about travelling with baby(44 Posts)
First time starting a thread so please be gentle! I am going away on a package holiday to Europe soon and it includes coach transfers. To sort out our own car hire and car seat package would add nearly 500 pounds to the holiday and is not something we could easily afford.
Everyone I have spoken to, including the holiday company says our 1 yr old will sit on our lap for the 2.5hr coach transfer. Coaches do not have three point harnesses to attach a car seat to and baby would not be allocated a seat.
Aibu to be anxious about a toddler not strapped in on a coach potentially travelling 70mph? DH also uneasy but generally more relaxed about things and has come up with idea of strapping himself in and putting baby in baby Bjorn carrier on his front so strapped to him. (Can't imagine wriggly toddler happy with that for 2.5hrs but fingers crossed for sleep!) in laws think I am worrying needlessly!
What would you do?
You could do! I ment more once you are at the resort
Honeytea - you're not meaning to tie the sledge to the back of the transfer bus, are you?
you could get her a little sledge to pull her around in, the kids here in sweden seem to love it, the mums here use sledges not pushchairs in the winter
Murderofprose. Mmm that is rather a lot... We could do the car hire option for that...
Honeytea baby is only just 1 so not going to do any helmet requiring activities, although she has banged her head so many times today learning to walk I think she probably needs to wear one in the house!
My dp is a lorry driver in a snowy country and he tells me that heavy vehicles are much much safer in the snow than cars even if they have winter tires.
Will your dc be skiing or sledging? If so I imagine you will have a helmet for them, you could put dc in a car seat with the helmet on, even if the coach rolled over dc would be fairly well protected by the seat and helmet.
I just did a bit of research for private transfers and for a return we're looking at 750 euros as it's 3 hours. I don't mind paying up to a few hundred return but nobody would do it that cheap understandably, and I am seriously willing to bet that Crystal wouldn't refund £500 or so!
As DS is nearly two, he needs a bigger car seat now - his usual one is a rear facing one so pretty bulky and stupidly expensive so there's no way we'd want to risk it in the hold. We do have a smaller Britax Eclipse which we bought for DD1 when we went to America, which we might bring with us and hope there is space on the coach <sigh>
It's not just the safety, it's the practicality of a tantrumming DS who realises he can escape from a lap belt/our laps and wants to run around the coach.
Zoomania can I ask which ski resort you are going to?
We have skiied most years since DCs were born and always had coach transfers without problems. Last year we hired a car instead and I found the journey way more disconcerting.
Murder...yes can imagine our tantrums already.... We seem to have the terrible twos a year early!
Don't think our seat will fit Schumann but great idea!
Thanks for all the other advice, will definitely look into child friendly resorts next year!
Has anyone tried an inflatable car seat, or those trunki backpack ones? (For a slightly older child).
All I can say to this is, how many coach crashes have you heard of? I think you are getting the danger out of proportion. Just go with the transfer coach. let DH put the strap around him and hold your DS on his lap.
This doesn't help the op but for future reference I can highly recommend Austria where resorts are really close to Innsbruck and taxis affordable and trains easy to use. Austria is also really family friendly - lots if playparks in the towns and hotels with pools are cheap compared to France.
Or les arcs in France is accessible by train and the trains zoom past the stationary traffic jams in half the time.
We do a ski package each year, but upgrade to private transfer. There was 8 of us in a private mini bus ( 8 person group and I think it was £480 total - so £60 each). I would have thought a regular car private transfer would be cheaper if your travelling in a smaller group
I agree with what ballstoit said.
I did a 2 hour transfer on a coach when DD was about 5 months - I fretted the whole way there and back but there didn't seem a way round it (I asked the travel agents before hand).
I too was very worried about this for a ski trip when our youngest was 13 months. After many unsatisfactory phone calls to the travel company my dh suggested putting the car seat (she was still in group 0) in the suitcase. I initially thought he was mad but with the handle pushed right back in the flat position (hope that makes sense) it went in easily and we packed our clothes in and around it.
Once we'd got our suitcase the other end we got the seat out and put her straight in. Was brill actually cos she hadn't slept at all on the plane and so went straight to sleep and stayed asleep for the entire 3hr transfer.
I had thought at best we'd wedge her seat in on a spare coach seat (and also knew she wouldn't sleep on our laps so would likely to be extremely tired and therefore grumpy in the coach - wanting to run up and down etc!). As it happened coach had seatbelts so the seat was wedged in and we cld use the seatbelt on it as normal.
So if yours is still in group 0 maybe see if it fits in your suitcase?
If just like to add that while you are correct that lap belts are not safe for children (because they sit over their abdomen rather than across their pelvis as they should in adults if worn correctly) they are still safer than being completely unrestrained. So I'd definitely consider the aeroplane type lap belt arrangement.
I would not brush off the private taxi idea. There are companies that provide it either from the resort or located near the airport you will be using. It is a case of investigating - there are many travel orientated people on here who might be able to help further. Just because there are transfers included you could as for them to be refunded. My bet is that if anybody wants to buy a transfer from them they have a price they charge so seeing as they cannot provide a 'safe transfer for your child ' they can refund you that part. Plus I bet they will be able to give you a private transfer supplement as welll......obviously elevated so they make a profit!!!!!
As for Crystal I agree being family friendly is a publicity thing and they should follow it through completly and offer the extra services. They are hot on seatbelts being used and the 'non safe' coach seats not being used so they should also think safe for children.
Are you me? This is my current rant-of-the-week! DS will be a few weeks short of two when we go in early April, and not only are we worried about the safety aspect, but he won't stay put on somebody's lap (massive tantrums once the raisins run out after five minutes) and certainly not with a lap belt. He escapes from his car seat without a third party extra strap. He will probably nap through the shortish plane ride but not a chance for the three hour coach transfer afterwards. Not nice for him, us, or anyone near us.
He does sit still if he is strapped into a car seat though. But - he won't even be guaranteed a seat yet we were told we could bring along a car seat that works with lap belts "just in case" there was a spare one. Great.
This is all from a major company (Crystal) who offer "family-friendly" holidays including childcare etc.. yet don't provide basic safety facilities on board their transfers. Particularly galling as I have travelled with other companies a lot smaller who AREN'T family-friendly but do provide car seats.
I have complained but got a total fob off reply as you might expect.
Interesting to read the stuff about coach structures etc though. Still not happy however!
We took ds ski-ing when he was 18 months which involved a 2.5 hr coach transfer. I wasn't wild about the concept, but we went, ds sat on our laps and it was OK. There were actually quite a lot of unrestrained children on the coach so people obviously do it. It comes down to your perception of risk in the end.
Mrskeith it is a ski package with transfers included so unfortunately not quite resort taxi situation.
It is interesting to see the wide range of ideas and opinions so clearly a grey area with no right or wrong solution which is slightly reassuring.
I think ballstoit you have summed up how I am now feeling about it. (although i still will worry, as always! )
Where are you going? Resort taxis are sometimes cheaper than holiday company arranged.
I don't think you're being unreasonable to worry, but I think it's important to balance potential risk v.potential benefit.
If we always prioritise safety over the benefits of an experience, we limit our family lives and children IMO. I think it's sad that some posters are suggesting that you cancel the holiday, rather than take a short, relatively low risk coach trip with your baby.
I think the lap belt/baby bjorn plan is a good idea, and would definitely feel more comfortable on a coach with either of these, than in the hands of a taxi driver. I've been in taxis abroad with DC (most noteably in Tunisia, where the front passenger door opened as we were driving along!), and also been in coaches, and definitely felt safer on the coaches.
We bought an aeroplane extender belt off ebay - basically same as airline belt.
You absolutely shouldn't put one belt around you both, as adult's weight will crush baby in a crash.
The airline belt will stop them flying out of your arms (even with forewarning an adult cannot hold a baby in a crash), even if coach has great crumple zone flying baby, flying luggage and sudden stop will be more serious injury than belt injury (in my view).
All assuming the coach has belts of course.
I think the risk of crash far less on coach than driving yourself, but the injury in coach could be catestrophic to baby (more protected in car).
Are there no other holidays that appeal, maybe this one won't work with the baby? In a year or 2 ok, but unbelted and probably upset at being restrained - not fun.
I'd be a bit worried but the sling idea is a good one.
I have been in a coach accident and I can vouch that even if the driver does and emergency stop the feeling isn't like that in a car, the coach takes so long to actually stop that it's a slower, more forceful pushing motion which I was able to control bracing my forearms against the seat in front. The only people injured in my crash were elderly (and we went through a wall and down a banking). I'd be worried about an unstrapped baby if the coach rolled but probably feel ok about the sling/bjorn idea.
I can't say it's ever really crossed my mind and we go abroad most years. Obviously when they are past 2 they get their own seat but I did a 1.5hr transfer with a 13mo last year and I just strapped him under my belt and he fell asleep.
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