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To be surprised at the Bali drugs smuggling outcome

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BegoniaBampot Mon 28-Jan-13 11:31:52

Just heard today that they expect Lindsay Sandiford to be executed within 24 hours, jeez that was fast. Really expected this to be drawn out and then the sentence eventually commuted to life imprisonment or such.

Sallyingforth Mon 28-Jan-13 15:59:34

Well one good thing has come out of this - the wide publicity should help to persuade other potential 'mules' not to follow her example.
For that reason I believe the sentence should be carried out, or replaced with a genuine whole life sentence in a Bali prison.

SilverOldie Mon 28-Jan-13 15:51:23

I am also opposed to the death sentence. However, she didn't give a thought to the people who may have used those those drugs, and who may have died as a result.

It's a despicable thing to do and she must have been aware of the penalty for smuggling in the Far East.

So if she is not shot, she should remain in jail over there for a long time.

TheCarefulLaundress Mon 28-Jan-13 15:35:20

Although I am opposed to the death penalty, I honestly think I'd rather face the firing squad than spend several years in an Indonesian prison.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 15:27:13

ok fair enough dizzy, I thought that's what you meant by saying: "if nothing has been done about the individual drops then it's going to be a heck of a big ocean one day".

Again, regarding your second point, I didn't say nothing should be done when people break the law, just that criminals should not be executed.

EldritchCleavage Mon 28-Jan-13 15:21:17

I imagine that LS got the death penalty because her claims of coercion simply weren't believed by the court. Without seeing her give evidence and hearing the evidence against her, it just isn't possible to say if that's right or fair or not, Dr. Fleetwood notwithstanding.

How big or small a player in all this she was is also hard to say.

DizzyHoneyBee Mon 28-Jan-13 15:19:29

Fudgeling, I didn't say (or intend to say!) that you were. I don't think it solve the whole drugs problem either but if somebody has committed the crime then it has to be dealt with by the law in that country.

We'd be pretty fed up if the police didn't do anything about crime because it wouldn't solve the national problem; it's about the punishment for the individual who has committed the crime as well as any deterrent. How would the police discourage people from committing crime if they knew that nothing would be done about it? Unfortunately not everybody has qualms about committing crime.

Lyrasilvertongued Mon 28-Jan-13 15:09:51

Just realised someone posted further up about Dr Fleetwood - however, feel the need to comment on Mosman's statement that she makes her living out of looking into the innocence of women arrested for smuggling - no, she makes her living researching the situations of women who've been arrested and imprisoned for drug smuggling, there is a difference as she is not invested in their perceived innocence/guilt - however in situations like this where someone is claiming coercion I imagine it's the same as any other legal situation where a specialist can comment on the likelihood of someone's story based on years of research and knowledge of the drug industry.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 15:08:55

Dizzy I was in no way suggesting nothing should be done to punish drug smugglers, just that I don't believe the death penalty can be justified by saying it will solve the global drugs problem.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 15:06:55

I'm scared for my loved ones, too, 2 childhood friends have died through drugs, and worrying about my DC/DSC getting into drugs is one of my top worry topics. But we spend millions fighting drug crime, and our prisons are overflowing, but kids can still buy drugs. Where do we go from here?

I think the answer to that question is where we will have to agree to disagree.

DizzyHoneyBee Mon 28-Jan-13 15:06:09

Sticky, so sorry to hear about your son, really feel for you and the hard decisions that you have had to make and live with.

With regard to one drug smuggler being a drop in the ocean, if nothing is done about one because it is "a drop in the ocean", well those drops make the ocean so if nothing has been done about the individual drops then it's going to be a heck of a big ocean one day.

If countries are going to have the death penalty for drug smuggling then it should perhaps be an all or nothing approach - all drug smugglers automatically receive the death penalty or none do?

Lyrasilvertongued Mon 28-Jan-13 14:58:18

This is interesting reading:
I also agree that what she did was wrong, but the article makes a good point about the wrong people in the chain being caught and penalised and the 'kingpins' remaining hidden and continuing the whole process.

I dunno Fudge - I reckon if the UK were firmer and had better law enforcement for drug related crimes (and other serious crimes too) maybe it wouldn't be so out of hand!!

I don't think the death penalty is always such a bad thing you know but that is another debate!

I think of people like sticky and like I said before, drugs is one of my worries for DS's future. When I was a kid we could go to school and buy a cigarette off the ice cream man for 10p.....what the hell can they get now?? It scares me shitless I don't mind admitting and I seriously think anyone caught dishing out drugs should be severly punished and not just a few weeks/months in a cushy prison cell either!

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 14:53:16

I am sorry stickyj, I hope he gets himself help and gets off it.

stickyj Mon 28-Jan-13 14:48:36

I think that if you do the crome, you pay the price. If you decide to smuggle drugs knowing that the country's laws say the death penalty, then tough.

I no longer see my oldest son who is hooked on cocaine. It is breaking my heart but i am trying tough love. If it wasn't for drug smugglers, I would have four children, not three sad

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 14:48:20

Betty going back to your previous post, I think the thing is, the situation already is out of hand, despite the way we deal with it currently.

Anyway, I really will stop now!

It's an important topic Fudge - one that does need debating and discussion. I don't think the thread is derailed....... smile

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 14:36:41

and thanks for replying Betty. I think this subject needs to be talked and thought about a lot more than it is.

Have I derailed the thread? Not sure but I will stop now!

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 14:33:51

Problems need logical solutions, not emotive ones. It's a matter of working out which system would result in the least harm. I'm still not convinced that legalisation is a naive concept, and neither are many others according to this:

but, there are no easy answers, no matter how much we wish for them.

But surely if it stops even one person from going down that same route???I don't know, I just think if there are no consequences for things like this it is just going to get out of hand!

There has to be a line somewhere.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 14:23:43

Yes, people do horrible things in the name of greed.

I guess I'm not going to convince anyone here round to my way of thinking.

Executing one person is not going to reduce the illegal drugs problem, though. It's a drop in the ocean.

I have known some too. Yes, in a way they want help but ultimately they wanted the drugs more!

Bottom line is she knew what she was doing. She had money worries or whatever and just decided to make a quick buck by importing drugs - sod whose life she was gonna ruin, sod whose children would die, it was all about her her her!!

Well, she got caught caught and should pay the price.

No drugs sadly are not hard to find but witout scumbags like her about, maybe in time, they will be that little bit harder.

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 14:17:54

rainbow of course it's wrong to sell drugs, I still think prison is an adequate punishment and the death penalty is inhumane and wrong!

thefudgeling Mon 28-Jan-13 14:16:08

Betty your comment oozes condescension! Having known and loved several addicts in the grip of addiction I think I can safely say that some of them actually do want help. And also that drugs are not hard to find whether illegal or not!

If my opinion is so naive why do the police and government give any time to considering it as an option?

rainbow2000 Mon 28-Jan-13 14:15:54

I dont understand how people who are caught doing illegal things in different countries think they are above the law.The law is the law of that country and you shouldnt be treated any different just cause you are a foreign national.

And the people saying she shouldnt get the death penalty would be ok if she sold your dc drugs.Of course not you would be out for her blood.


Your last comment just oozes niaveity!! Addicts in the grip of addiction do not want help, they want more drugs. Without the death sentence then this will be easier for them ........millions more would die.

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