to be having a little giggle that friend's plan for night feeding before birth didn't last up to the reality(78 Posts)
I remember thinking ahh, a summer baby, I'll sit in the garden, feed baby, read a book, get dinner on, baby will wake up in the night but it will be fine.
I had been prewarned that I didn't sleep through until I went to school so wasn't expecting miracles. But by god it was the birth that knocked me for six. I didn't leave the house until the September on my own and was a teary bundle of nerves. (No.2 thankfully was a doddle.)
Luckily the sleep thing wasn't so bad with either of mine but I'm not risking a third!
I would be having a private snigger too, YANBU and it isn't awful of you.
What would be awful and YWBU if you didn't use your experience to support her, but I'm sure you are doing.
I thought I knew what being tired was as i had pulled all-nighters. I also went out and bought normal baby wash stuff. My mum had got lavender and I got worried about her getting too sleepy. Ha fucking ha. Both dds were rubbish sleepers and the lack of sleep was a very brutal lesson.
When DS was a newborn, I recall being horrified about what my elder sister was doing when her 1 year old was ill, a year later I recall my brother (then father to a newborn) being horrified at what I was doing - yep, it was the same thing!
(the dreadful thing was giving calpol rather than taking the baby to the GP immediately). I'm surprised she didn't swing for me when I said I'd never do that when I had children, she insisted I would and I was all judgy pants. My brother was the same....
when I had children....d'oh, brain on holiday! with my children.
sadly i listened to the doom-mongering and 'babies are like x' crap, and it really put me off having any! now i enjoy the silent disappointment of the doom mongers when what they say will happen doesn't, or i actually cope with it fine. life is sometimes unpleasant...man up! i just wish i had a fiver for every time i hear the phrase 'wait until x, then you'll know about it!'
Pre children I used to watch parents and occasionally think "I'd never do that". but I never ever thought it would be a good idea to actually comment on someone else's childrearing. I didn't have one so wtf did I know. I therefore think it is absolutely ok to have a private snigger at those who those who decided to give me the benefit of their wisdom before they had any themselves.
I snigger everytime I see fb photos of a relative's 2 year old PFB with a dummy in his mouth. Apparently it is to teach him to 'self soothe'. When DS had one it looked 'common' and I used it way less than she does. They also call it a comforter and correct you if you say Dummy.
They were the same pair who thought parents were only tired because they were doing it wrong and yet I never came across a pair who made such a bloody fuss of how hard it was for them when they had an absolute delight of a baby.
Why enjoy feeling smug? That was you once.
I have had 2 years of no sleep now and would feel unfriendly thoughts to a friend who was smirking at my exhaustion!
Although I did feel smug for doing a 4 day labour back to back with no painkillers after every twat and his cousin told me I was stupid for hoping for epi free.
I don't mind either the woe is doom and gloom or the smug pfb talk as long as its all TRUE. It's the mums who insist the baby is perfect, no trouble etc as a way of perhaps feeling slightly superior, but who are not telling the real story, who are the worst.
Eg mum saying pfb sleeps through, no trouble, naps on cue, never cries etc (smugly) but then dad let's slip to fellow dad that pfb 'was up all night and is a f***ing nightmare'
I think YABU and pretty horrible. I'm about to become a mum for the first time and tbh I would be horrified if anyone would be taking pleasure in my lack of sleep.
What's to giggle about?
She has to learn and it's not like she can truly know what it'll be like until her baby actually arrived.
Mine both had a quick feed in a darkened room before settling.
DS2 went a bit haywire at about 8 months.
You sound a bit mean spirited. She'd not criticising you.
I have just re-read your OP for fear of not reading it properly but have to agree with pinkflipflop. Of course she wasn't to know how difficult things would be-regardless how many times people tell you, you won't know until you are in that position. From your OP it seems she didn't try to criticise something you were doing but was merely talking about her approach. What makes you so smug now that you can giggle at a friends discomfort?
Ok, so the first 3 weeks were a blur...sleep deprived, hideous getting up at all bloody hours..
But you know what...by 5 weeks my little star was sleeping through. And i mean sleeping through - 11.30pm til 7.30am. And still is now.
I tell you what annoys me - the number of my friends who have kids older than mine who go on and bloody on about the lack of sleep, constant whining, the 'oh wait, you'll see' blah blah blah....to be fair, so far, erm no. It's lovely. It's pleasurable. And having a baby is such a blessing. I do wish they'd shut up, because actually, no. My baby does not dictate our life and actually she does fit into our ways and what we want to do. And just because you've got kids older than mine does not make you the expert on all things child related!
but those first few weeks were awful granted!! haha
You genuinely sound oh so sympathetic; truly the compassionate friend, what with your little smile and all that.
Ahh more doom mongering. Having a baby is shit. It ruins your life. It ruins your life more than it ruined the lives of any of your friends/family etc. Though of course you're a better parent than any of them put together and Nobody Knows Your Pain. Blah blah blah. What is this, Martyr of the Year awards?
I'm awaiting my first child and all the doom mongering and competitive 'I've had it soooo hard!' stories have made me start telling my DH now that we will only be having one child. I'm terrified. You'd think I was about to give birth to a rattlesnake.
Geez you lot. Read the OP in the spirit it is meant.
YABU but you know that, hence the tongue in cheek post. I had grand plans. I was going to learn the guitar. I was going to earn extra money by marking exam papers. I was going to do a 120km cycle with a 3 month old (breastfed!) baby.
In reality I didn't get more than 2 hours sleep in a row for 8 months. I didn't do more than a mummy running group for 9 months. I barely functioned. I did, however, gain a wonderful crazy little being. And I have not dared to have another child!
Sleeping through is 7-7, 8-8 etc - a 12 hour ish uninterrupted shift.
And I don't think OP was being nasty and spiteful.
I think a baby can only fit into your pre-DC life without altering it if you have a very particular kind of life. At the very least you have to factor in school/nursery/childminder runs, or accommodate a nanny in your house.
When people tell me their grand plans for their pfb, I smile and nod, and only occasionally say "well sometimes people find that hard if the baby xyz". And afterwards, when they've abandoned the grand plan in favour of a good but less ambitious plan, I do kind of eye roll internally, but I'm not glad exactly.
It would have been great to spend my first maternity leave writing the non-fiction book I had planned, with DS either dozing on a blanket in dappled shade, or playing happily with old cotton reels and pine cones.
It would be lovely if DC2 slept through by any measure before his second birthday (ten weeks to go).
But you know what? There is a lot to envy about my life and I'm going to count my blessings.
Creamtea1 - no, that isn't the definition of sleeping through - it's a 6hr unbroken stretch of sleep. So 11pm-5am = sleeping through the night. It is helpful for new parents to know that, so that they don't feel as though they're somehow "failing" if they haven't achieved a 12h stretch of sleep.
If I believed you (and thankfully I know otherwise) then my DS1, aged 5, would never have slept through the night yet, as he usually sleeps for 11h. DS2 is now 16wo and has managed several 6h stretches so far, and even a few longer than that - but last night he was back to waking every 3h again.
"Sleeping through" seems to be such a stick for parents to beat themselves with - at least they should know where the starting point is!
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