to ask work not to call me on my day off?(41 Posts)
I work Monday - Thursday. Every Friday, I get a call from my boss wanting to know where something is, or can we try something or can she arrange something. It's nice that she asks me but I've been really ill & desperately need my day off to be mine. She also likes to text me work-related things on a Sunday when she's working & I'm not. Never anything urgent & often stuff that can wait for my return on Monday or something that she could sort out herself.
She has no children or family or hobbies so work is her life. I try to be very clear that my home time is my home time - for DS & my family. Not to be thinking about or dealing with work.
Today I got fed up & replied saying, 'Please leave it for me to sort on Monday. I don't want to be rude but I'd really prefer not to be contacted about work on my day off unless it's an emergency.'
Was I rude? I'm worrying about being in her bad books now. I'm not usually assertive enough to say anything like that.
Ahh ignore my last post, just re-read you saying it would take a couple of hours
MumVsKids surely if it's that important they can send the documents with a bike courier (or another member of staff), you can sign them while they wait and send them back.
She's middle management and I'm not. We're not in PR or anything that has major emergencies, I'm a teacher. No-one needs to call me to ask where to put some crisps and, if that was an issue, I have 4 TAs who could assist my boss if she couldn't figure out what to do. My TAs never call me, even though I have said to them that they can - I really wouldn't mind. They are respectful & protective of my non-working day.
I don't know if I'm ok LadyStark but thank you for asking! I will explain to my boss on Monday that I didn't mean to be so blunt but that I have a lot going on and Fridays are my days to get everything done & usually involve several appointments & complicated things that I need to sort out. Also, with my illness, I couldn't manage 5 days which is why I now do 4. They know this - I need a 'rest' day.
Rocknroll, that's a good point. I will refer to it as my non-working day from now on.
I'm just not used to telling people stuff like that. I usually just put up with it and mutter quietly. I surprised myself!
YANBU If it's not a work day for you, you do not have to make yourself available to work.
Definitely agree with them how you are going to manage your NWD. I worked 4 days a week in a very high pressure job for about 3 years after my ML - I got called twice on my NWD in that time.
I used to leave a trusted PA an email the day before setting out where my work was and with instructions about specific situations and what to do eg if x calls, pass them onto colleague b (who also knew what to do), if such a thing happens, person c can deal or in all honesty it can probably wait until the next day etc. The PA was the only person who had a means of contacting me on my NWD and she knew that even then there was no guarantee she could reach me as I might have buggered off to the beach, DS could be screaming/vomiting or whatever. I set the expectation from day 1 that I would do everything to stop home life interfering with work and I expected that to cut both ways. A couple of people were a bit concerned initially and I explained the arrangements and also asked them to consider would they automatically call people on a weekend for such things, if not then my NWD was no different (not a contracted work day, not being paid for it etc).
It can be done successfully but you have to stand your ground, be professional and make it clear that it can work.
YANBU, I work shifts and there is always someone in. I can't remember the last rest day when nobody tried calling me about something. Yesterday I made a conscious decision to not answer the phone; I did get called, but when I listened to the voicemail the issues were firmly in the 'not requiring my input' category. I was on a rest day and I needed the rest.
I agree rocknroll, I always say non-working day too.
OP, I don't think your original text was rude. I think the suggestion about having a meeting on "systems for your non-working day" is good.
It's important to break this habit - I used to swap my non working day sometimes and then people got the idea they could always call me on a Friday so I have now switched back and only take or make calls as one-offs with prior arrangement.
Also - never call it a 'day off' it implies you might normally be at work - you're not, you're not contracted to work that day, nor are you being paid. It sounds a very small thing but I always call it a 'non-working day'.
Sorry to hear about you and your DP.
Sorry to hear about you and your DP Grockle. Are you ok?
Sounds like you're not feeling yourself and it was a case of bad timing. You weren't rude, just to the point, don't give it another thought.
Well obviously I don´t know what you do-but I don´t think that they should be contacting you at all tbh, unless it´s in your contract that you are available when not there.
Why can´t they sort it out without you?
Sounds like laziness tbh-"Oh I´ll just call Grockle rather than think for myself"
I don´t think that you were rude at all.
When I got the message on my personal phone my out of office was on and my work mobile was switched off.
In my case I would be more forgiving if it was a senior person that had texted me, but it was someone who sort of works for me, but yet is paid more .
People just don't get p/t workers sometimes, but then I guess if you are f/t these days you are expected to be on call for way more than your paid hours as well.
When I was pt I would set my out of office so that anyone emailing would be reminded of my hours - you can set Outlook to send OoO to internal addresses ie colleagues only if you don't want clients or suppliers to get messages.
It can be hard to keep track of who works which days unless you are particularly sensitive to part timers. Giving people the benefit of the doubt (or pretending to ) can work wonders.
YANBU. I work half-time, and I switch my 'phone OFF when I'm not at work, unless I know there's something important coming up that really needs my attention on my days off. It's the main reason I have a separate work 'phone and won't give colleagues my personal mobile number.
There is often a huge sense of urgency about things at work that really aren't urgent at all! Jobs that really DO need staff to be available on stand-by are few and far between (e.g. fire fighters, medical staff, care workers) and they have an 'on call' system and pay staff for it.
If your manager genuinely needs someone available 7 days per week, she needs to take on other staff... But tbh,
what with the kisses on her texts and all! it sounds like she's really just a bit lonely.
In principle it sounds like she was bring quite unreasonable.
However I think it also depends on the kind of work you do - if it's pr and you're dealing with crisis mgmt or media it comes with the territory. There are other sectors where it's assumed. If you're a senior staff member or making say over 40k it's pretty normal to be expected to be available for work issues outside of work.
But texting is really odd! It sounds like your boss needs better communication with staff when they are in the office. And it sounds like she might need a bit of a social life.
YANBU at all. I have been avoiding at least five calls per day for the last two weeks from my work on both my home and mobile (I am on maternity leave)
There is an inspection due at work next week, and they need some standard procedures signing by me, even though these standard procedures have changed massively since I went on maternity leave.
Work is a 45 minute drive away, I'm at home with three DCs and I simply do not have time to go there, 45 mins each way, sign the documentation, which will take a couple of hours, and be back in time to collect dd2 from pre school. They do not get this, and are now hassling me
I wouldn't mind, but they have known for 3 years that the inspection was happening at the end of this month
I get the odd call/text on my personal mobile on my non work days from a particular senior person. It really pees me off - I know she wouldn't do it if she had any other option but she also works part time and takes the odd urgent call on her non working day, so expects others to do the same.
OP, I think you did the right thing in responding assertively to your lady message. My approach when I addressed it with my boss was to say "i know you try not to bother me on my day off [not striclty true in this case it seems but plants the suggestion]. i already have X and Y in place and Z is usually around on my non working days who can answer most things. Is there anything else we need to put in place so you don't need to call me?". I don't think you need to directly apologise for being rude (you weren't rude, and you dont need to be sorry) but this might set the conciliatory tone you're looking for if you want to manage your boss' response.
Yep, she was a bit odd - just fussy silly things much of the time and I think she used to do it when other people were around too, just to imply I was at her beck and call. I ended up just ignoring her calls after I left, it was crazy! She got the hint eventually!
YANBU. I work p/t and switch off my work mobile on the day I don't work. I gave my personal mobile to my direct team members in case of emergency.
Today I got a text asking me what to do about something that can definitely wait until next week, from someone who incidentally happens to be paid quite a lot more than me, despite the fact there is a designated senior point of contact when I am not around.
Doesn't happen often, if it did I would find it seriously irritating.
That does sound like something that would happen here too.
I don't mind if it's an occasional text about something only I know about. But anyone can work out where to put a pile of crisps that I'd ordered til I am there to deal with them. I guess she was just trying to help but she tends to take over and can be very critical if she thinks things weren't done
her way correctly.
If I'd not been standing in a field in freezing wind having more or less just split up with DP (boss doesn't know about that yet) then I might have been more willing to help. But she caught me at a bad time & unless I am blunt & to the point, things tend not to change.
I think you've done the right thing - my boss used to do this when I worked part time (mornings) and email me Sundays, then she was surpised when I'd arrive on Monday morning, not having read the emails. She even rang me a couple of times after she'd made me redundant!
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