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To feel sorry for the cats living in prison?

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Samu2 Thu 24-Jan-13 21:46:00

Now watching "Inside Death Row" with Trevor.

I feel very sorry for the poor cats who live in a cell, especially when they are in lock down.

Booyhoo Fri 25-Jan-13 15:40:00

i totally agree. i dont agree with the death penalty because i dont think it punishes the person at all. i'm atheist and dont believe in any sort of heaven or hell so for me death is the end of it. they feel no more after that and so any guilt they felt also ends at this point. i really dont know whose benefit the death penalty is for.

valiumredhead Fri 25-Jan-13 15:34:40

Good point, but I still can't get my head round it. I'm very glad I don't live somewhere where the death penalty is used. Personally I think life inside is far worse a punishment.

Booyhoo Fri 25-Jan-13 15:06:19

"But it seems odd to want them to die peacefully - if you are doing something as barbaric as killing them then why not make it as difficult as possible? "

because the punishment is ending of their life. not painful death.

eggsy11 Fri 25-Jan-13 13:25:00

i'm a proper animal rights nutcase. And I think it's fine for prisoners to have them. I'm no expert on the effect it has on the prisoners themselves, but I can only see that it would be huge incentive.

Even if cats were only contained within cells and were'nt allowed to roam, so many animals are starving/dying/beingshot because they have no homes. From what I saw it was only when the cells were on lock down the cats weren't allowed out. The cats were loved (no denying that) fed and warm. That is much better than a large majority of cats around the world!

The space cats get in animal shelters whcih they could well spend their entire lives in are much smaller. Plus the liklihood of them living long in there is mininal since most cats get euthanised due to lack of homes sad

Stickwithit Fri 25-Jan-13 12:47:57

Was I imagining it or wasn't one of the cats (not the one with the death row inmate), attached to a piece of string? I thought when they interviewed him, he seemed to have string attached to its collar?

I assumed that this was what stopped it leaving the mans's cell.

expatinscotland Fri 25-Jan-13 12:35:42

Oh, no, it can go on for decades.

Catchingmockingbirds Fri 25-Jan-13 12:32:28

blush this may sound daft but I always thought people were sentenced to however many years on death row before execution as an extra form of punishment. I hadn't realised so many people appealed and dragged things on for years.

expatinscotland Fri 25-Jan-13 12:28:40

Oh, all kinds of things. Any technicality that can be found or suspected, loads of things. Some have even been tried more than once and found guilty more than once and been sentenced more than once. They can move to stay the execution. All manner of things. It's why a lot of people sit on Death Row for years and years.

Catchingmockingbirds Fri 25-Jan-13 12:24:57

What grounds would he be appealing on if he were to appeal?

expatinscotland Fri 25-Jan-13 12:23:21

Yes. He can appeal until he waives his right of appeal or loses his last one, and even then he can move to stay the execution up until the last minute. Nowadays, there aren't any who were relatively newly sentenced who were not so tried without serious DNA and forensic evidence, and admitting guilt does not mean you cannot appeal.

Catchingmockingbirds Fri 25-Jan-13 12:17:41

Hopefully not.

Would he still be able to appeal despite now admitting to the crime? Previously he'd denied it obv as the programme showed him declaring his innocence before the interview with Trevor McDonald.

expatinscotland Fri 25-Jan-13 12:13:03

IIRC she was not the one who discovered them, thankfully, but I could be wrong. sad

Catchingmockingbirds Fri 25-Jan-13 12:06:18

expat after that programme last night I keep thinking of the older sister coming home from school to her mother and sister's violent murders. sad

expatinscotland Fri 25-Jan-13 11:43:29

It's also a possibility that Baer will outlive his pet cat. He was only sentenced in 2005, a year and a half after the murders, and if he appeals over and over, it could be a while.

expatinscotland Fri 25-Jan-13 11:40:06

The cat will be passed on to another inmate following Baer's execution.

YY, to his saying he was part of their lives. Trevor tried to understand that, but of course, as he said, he can't understand because he is not a murderer.

Cory Clark left behind a little girl of seven following her brutal murder and that of her daughter, as well as her husband, two siblings and parents. sad

CheeseandPickledOnion Fri 25-Jan-13 11:29:07

The cats are generally kepts on long leashes which allow them to roam about the cell but no further.

These are also generally cats that would have been put to sleep. They are often animals with behavoural issues or other issues which meant they could not be rehomed else where, therefore would face death.

A loving prision home sounds better than death to me.

Pigsmummy Fri 25-Jan-13 10:52:33

They had leads and were kept inside, I felt sorry for them too. The guy who is next to be executed has a cute cat, what happens to the cat when he is sent on his way? (he slit the throats of a young mother and 4 year old child in their home after not being able to rape the woman as planned).

valiumredhead Fri 25-Jan-13 10:41:09

I know gangly sad

I hope Princes William or Harry didn't see the programme - all those pics of their mother all over his cell!

GanglyGiraffe Fri 25-Jan-13 10:27:16

What made me feel sick was when the murderer of the young girl and her Mother said that he was "a part of their lives" and that he had their birthdays' marked on his calendar.

Their poor family having to hear that sad

You were not a part of their lives Mr Baer, you were the cause of their death!

labtest Fri 25-Jan-13 10:21:13

I didn't feel sorry for any of them. They deserved to be executed. The inmate who slit the throats of a mother and her four year old daughter will have an easier death than they did. As for the cats, they appeared to have a food life.

expatinscotland Fri 25-Jan-13 10:11:21

In some states, serial or spree murder, murder of over 3 persons, is also treated as a capital crime.

TheBigJessie Fri 25-Jan-13 10:11:16

This thread reminds me of a quote from a book: "But I realise he is capable of love, and caring, for a few. You remind him of his wife, I daresay, or even his daughter; you have seen the private side of tenderness which all but the worst men have."

I think that as human beings, we tend to see people as wholly good, or wholly bad, based on our own experiences. You see that every time the family of a convicted rapist passionately denounce the victim. "He couldn't have done that. He's not like that", a friend or family member says. And indeed he was not. To the speaker.

Just as no-one is a perfect saint, I think most people, who we (we definitely includes me!) all agree should be in prison, are yet capable of kindness and love to a favoured few. So I can well believe such people look after their cats.

expatinscotland Fri 25-Jan-13 10:10:41

Yes. They have unlimited right of appeal unless they chose to waive it. So you can and do have people who have been on Death Row for well over a decade. Currently, a female, Jody Arias, is on trial in Arizona facing possible death sentence for the murder of her lover. Although most of those on Death Row are males, there are some females.

In order to be eligible for capital punishment, an accused must be found guilty of what is known as a capital crime. In most states, this is murder in conjunction with rape/attempted rape, robbery and/or kidnapping, but in some states it includes murder of a child under 10, murder of a law enforcement officer/fire personnel/paramedic or the like.

valiumredhead Fri 25-Jan-13 10:03:07

I think I have read it takes 6 mins to do from lethal injection.

mrsjay Fri 25-Jan-13 10:02:47

is that why they are in death row so long because they appeal the sentence 1 of the men had been there 11 years ( or had he been in prison 11 years)

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