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If SIL doesn't put down the local school, she won't get it?

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spongeypants Wed 16-Jan-13 23:25:01

SIL does not like any of the local schools and they would like to move to the neighbouring suburb anyway. They have put down 6 schools, 2 in the suburb they would like to move to and the other four all over subscribed, where you have to be living practically in the playground to get a place. From speaking to other mums, no chance of getting in. They have not put down the local school. She reasons that the council make the decisions and that DD may just be given the local school regardless but wanted to try and get in the others. I have tried to explain to her that it doesn't work like that and if she didn't put it down, she won't get it as plenty of other families do want it!

Its more likely that as she won't be successful with any of her choices, she they will get the failing school with the signs in the corridors asking parents to refrain from smoking.

How does it work, do councils allocate kids to the local school regardless sof choice, like she says?

dayshiftdoris Sat 20-Apr-13 19:54:34

There are atleast 29 other children going to that school... dont see any sympathies for them

EmmelineGoulden Sat 20-Apr-13 19:20:44

Spongeypants your SIL should get her name on to the local school's waiting list ASAP. There will most likely be a lot of movement before September. In our district, and I think this is supposed to apply to all schools in England, the waiting list allocates places by the same criteria as the allocation process. So your SIL will most likely go ahead of people who live further away (unless they have additional qualifications like siblings etc.). So if she lives reasonably close and would likely have got in if she'd put them as one of her 6 choices, she will probably get a place there before school starts.

Loulybelle Sat 20-Apr-13 11:31:32

Moaning, it'll be pointless because she didnt pick a decent local school, she should have been realistic in her choices.

When i did my 3 picks

1) School where my DD went to nursery, never normally full due to its location.
2) Most local school to me, but in a busy village, but likely to get in.
3) Further away, but not far and my school, also likely to get into.

Loulybelle Sat 20-Apr-13 11:26:36

Parents dont seem to understand, that the choice allocations will take place first, any child who doesnt get an allocation will have to wait to get into the nearest school available.

Why do parents think that living near a local school automatically gets them allocation.

MoaningYoniWhingesAgain Sat 20-Apr-13 11:23:52

My sister has just done the same. Applied to three oversubscribed fab schools, been offered the local school she didn't want.

Actually she was lucky, she could have been given a far away school she didn't want instead. She reckons she will appeal, but has no grounds grin. I shouldn't laugh but she has been quite stupid.

Guitargirl Sat 20-Apr-13 11:12:22

This has happened to a few families living near us this year. Despite all the information from previous years being available on the furthest distance being 0.2 miles typically for most of our local schools, they were applying for schools 0.5 - 0.7 miles away and (don't ask me why) but were then so surprised when they were not offered a place at any of them!

Two of our neighbours now don't have offers of any places but have been sent a list of those schools in the borough which have places which are also of course the schools that have problems. They will probably be ok on a waiting list by September but honestly what do people think - that the catchment for the last 3 years has been 0.2 miles but that somehow half the 4 year olds in the borough this year are going to disappear or something? One mum even said to me that she can't understand why she was not offered our nearest school. I asked her if it was one of her choices. No. Why do people not understand!!!!

Loulybelle Sat 20-Apr-13 11:06:02

Silly, theres 3 local schools in my area, i put all 3 down, and got my first choice. If you dont put your choices down then you dont get.

BigBoobiedBertha Sat 20-Apr-13 10:56:39

Her best hope is moving house to the catchment she wants to be in and then going on the waiting list. She will move up the waiting list by being in catchment but won't guarantee a place. It worked for us ( we had to apply whilst living in another part of the country so not the same reasons as the OP) but it was a bit of a worry for a while and we could have ended up with something we didn't want in the process. However, we had just moved by this point in the year so she is leaving herself precious little time to get sorted. at this rate the poor child will have to start the unwanted school then move school when a vacancy arises by which time the child may well be perfectly happy in her allocated school and not want to start again.

What the OP's SIL did is indeed very risky and a master class in how not to fill in the forms.

Fudgemallowdelight Sat 20-Apr-13 10:46:52

Do you think she will still send the little girl there rather than home school or something? You never know, the little girl might be happy and do well there. There is a school near here that no one wants, but it now has a very good head and people I know who were allocated it who hadn't wanted it are actually very happy with it and wouldn't change even if they had the option.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Sat 20-Apr-13 10:38:13

Why are parents such idiots about school applications? What is it about a certain kind of (usually middle class) person that thinks that normal rules don't apply to them?

I say that as a middle class person grin

OP - really sad for your DN sad

StorFetHamster Sat 20-Apr-13 10:33:28

Poor DN, but ultimately it was a bad, unrealistic decision....which your niece will suffer for.

spongeypants Sat 20-Apr-13 09:37:33

I won't say where exactly, (worried will out self) just midlands. I've not been through process yet so not sure how many choices there were, seemed to be a few, maybe as many as six.

Point is, none of the choices were local, they were all schools outside catchment, two quite far away and she recently mentioned another she had put down that is so far away that it might as well be in the next county for all the chance she had.

She has been advised little point in appealing, probably because there will be so many children in catchment who may have not got that choice.

This school is the exact opposite of what they did not want, in deprived end of town, very multi-cultural.

Summed up in a nutshell hollyberrybush !!

Poor DN - she's got to deal with the outcome of all this.

I said to SIL that surely the school will get a new head etc and be turned around soon (that seems to happen these days) and become very sought after? Not much else I can say really.

PurpleStorm Thu 18-Apr-13 20:44:10

Thanks for the update OP, I was wondering what had happened too!

It's a shame that your DN didn't get into any of the schools that your SIL put down, but given what you said about the situation, I'm not surprised.

I also can't see appeals getting them very far, regardless of whether she's appealing not getting into one of the 6 over-subscribed schools or appealing not getting a place at the okay local school she didn't bother putting as a preference on the form.

Floggingmolly Thu 18-Apr-13 17:09:48

She's looking at appeals, waiting lists, or moving house
You can't appeal the non allocation of a school which hasn't been requested; there are no grounds whatsoever.
Moving house won't guarantee her a place either; unless the new local school is undersubscribed.
The waiting lists are her only hope, but no guarantees there either.
Why would you make a decision like this without clueing yourself in? confused

HollyBerryBush Thu 18-Apr-13 17:09:10

As far as I'm aware, if you don't put it down you don't get it.

If you put down 6 premier schools that you haven't got a hope in hell of getting into - you will be allocated the arse end school no one wants and is under subscribed.

MummyOfSunbeam Thu 18-Apr-13 16:53:08

Thanks all - the Scottish system thankfully seems more straightforward. Sympathies for OP's niece and SIL sad

mummy you can make an out of catchment request in Scotland, but I think you will still have your catchment school as a fall back. Most people go to their catchment school although I think you get more placement requests in the bigger cities.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Thu 18-Apr-13 15:21:06

In Scotland you can apply for out of catchment, and you will be considered last in the order of priority.

You are guaranteed a place at your local school.

Read your local councils website do more info.

MorrisZapp Thu 18-Apr-13 15:21:00

In Scotland, you can put in an out of catchment request, but you have no guarantee of getting it.

Mostly, kids just go to their local primary.

MummyOfSunbeam Thu 18-Apr-13 15:17:43

Diamondee and littlewhitebag - how does it wor here in Scotland? I am new to it and have a dd facing primary school in a couple years - we have two primaries in our catchment area, one RC and one nondenominational. I assume we all have to go to one of these? I guess Applying for a non-catchment one doesn't work here?

StanleyLambchop Thu 18-Apr-13 15:11:27

On what grounds is she appealing though? You cannot just appeal because the decision does not suit you. If the Local Authority have applied the selection procedure correctly then I cannot see she has a chance. It is a shame for her DD but what else are the LA supposed to do? They cannot mind-read that she actually wanted the local school as fallback position.

Floggingmolly Thu 18-Apr-13 14:47:57

Did you understand the op's latest post, formica? confused

thegreylady Thu 18-Apr-13 14:45:23

Thanks for updating-I wondered what had happened.
Which general area is your sil in where she didn't get any of six options?

formicaqueen Thu 18-Apr-13 14:39:56

I think she has done the right thing. We didn't put our local school down but instead listed other schools in order of preference. All schools were very very popular but we still got into our second choice - you never know your luck. If we hadn't got in, we would have appealed and if that failed, we would have joined waiting lists for vacancies that arise as pupils leave.

spongeypants Thu 18-Apr-13 14:04:17

Posting this update in case it helps anybody who will be doing this next year and this must be a classic case of how not to go through the process.

DN got the local 'failing' school, obviously not one of their choices. I feel really sad for them. Instead of feeling excited, they are looking at appeals, waiting lists or moving house.

Please, anybody out there looking at schools for next year, read the guidance, it is there for a reason, be realistic.

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