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To think it's no wonder Royal Mail delivery men get bitten by dogs so often.

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D0oinMeCleanin Wed 16-Jan-13 14:32:04

When normal people knock on my door, in a normal way, my dogs do as they've been trained to do and go to their beds.

When the lovely lady from Hermes knocks on my door in a nice, normal way, the dogs go to their beds.

When my Dad knocks on my door, the dogs sense it is him and wait patiently in the hall until I let him upon which they dive at him with gusto.

When Royal Mail knock on my door in the way at only Royal Mail do, I jump so far out my seat I almost hit ceiling, Whippy runs terrified into her crate and Devil Dog decides he must protect the house from the person trying to break down the front door at all costs, including snapping at me when I restrain him to get him into a different room, before they attempt to kick the door in again knock again, which they inevitably do.

I would complain but I have a feeling bad things might start happening to my mail but it is really necessary for them to knock so loud it would wake the dead? Really?! I can't be the only person who has problems with Royal Mail couriers scaring them half to death?

MuddlingMackem Wed 16-Jan-13 17:24:39


We had the problem that our postie would knock on the door. Unfortunately you can only hear that when you're in the living room which, early on a Saturday morning, we usually aren't. We did manage to train him to use the doorbell, which can be heard in most of the house, although it did take a while as we only managed to speak to him if he happened to knock when one of us was in the living room. grin

It's a pain when we have a stand-in who doesn't know the system and, as a result, have missed a few parcels when we have been home.

I can't understand why Royal Mail insist posties knock. Surely if a household has a bell they are more attuned to listen for that than someone knocking? They really should ring the bell first and knock if no answer just in case the bell isn't working. confused

DreamingOfTheMaldives Wed 16-Jan-13 17:26:53

How have you trained your dog to go his bed? I assume be getting someone to keep knocking on the door and sending your dog to bed. And repeat.

I've trained my dog to 'quiet' when he barks at someone knocking but he insists on standing at the door wagging his tail like something possessed and trying to get to whoever has come to the door because he wants a fuss. He knows 'bed' very well so may have to try training him to go to bed when someone knocks. Although I sometimes don't mind the bark at the door if it's late when someone knocks. His bark sounds scary despite him being a fluffy labradoodle that couldn't actually scare his own shadow if it were to see him

D0oinMeCleanin Wed 16-Jan-13 17:35:51

I sent out a small child to repeatedly knock, small children are good at this I find grin

And then I'd run to the dogs bed when they knocked with a handful of treats and praised like mad when they got to bed. I have two dogs, both with beds in different rooms, but Whippy is normally polite and non bolt-y anyway so trained Devil Dog first with Whippy in a room away from the door and then repeated with her once he'd got it.

He nows runs to his bed and waits for his treat when anyone other then Royal Mail knock, occasionally I re-inforce this by giving him a treat before answering the door, but only if it is someone I know has the time to wait a minute and I have treats handy. He still barks at the door, he just does it from his bed now grin

thekatsatonthematt Wed 16-Jan-13 17:37:00

As a postie you really can't win. I started just before xmas, haven't been on the same round more than 3 days running.

I'd much rather deliver the parcel than not (and have to carry the thing round for the rest of the day) so I do tend to ring the bell and knock on the door. And then wait. And wait. And then write out the red card and walk down the drive at which point some snotty bugger finally opens the door and moans that i havent left enough time....

How am I meant to know if the bell works, where you are in the house, if your tv or radio are on loud, if you are hard of hearing or have a sleeping baby?

Plus, bigger parcels will be delivered by a man in a van so even if I know a route and all my customers it won't necessary be me delivering to you...

Not saying it's not annoying for you, but have a heart, most of us enjoy our jobs and genuinely are trying to get your stuff to you as quickly and fuss-free as possible grin

MuddlingMackem Wed 16-Jan-13 18:01:29

Well some delivery people ring the bell then promptly rap on the door as well. I guess that's the best way to cover all bases, and it only takes an extra couple of seconds. Which is probably worth it if it means you can offload a parcel you would otherwise be stuck with. smile

digerd Wed 16-Jan-13 19:02:33

I shall never forget the episode I had in Germany30 years ago. Postie had to come into garden as he had a big parcel for me which I had to sign for. Didn't see him coming and my Dachshund was outside at the back. I was alerted by the dog's barking, so went outside.
Postie was doing the kicking Can Can low down as dog has short legs but a big muzzle and big teeth shouting " Go away" hysterically. the more aggressive Postie got the more aggressive dog got. So I bent down to pick up dog and got kicked by Postle on my Thumb joint, which swelled up, and still swollen 30 years on, but not painful just stiff now.

Ambrosiacreamedrice Wed 16-Jan-13 19:22:12

My postman makes my porch shake when he bangs. Just before Christmas I was shaken awake at 7:20 am on a Saturday by the knocking, only to find he had a parcel for next door he wanted to leave. I was not impressed that he'd nearly knocked the front of my house for that.

mademred Wed 16-Jan-13 19:22:31

My dh was medically retired from rm after almost 20yrs service.he was never told to knock loud but to obviously deliver all he for dogs biting them, a postie can refuse to deliver to that address until the dog is secure , and the owner would need to collect the post from the post office.royal mail also sue the owners of dogs if their employees get bitten.after all they are doing a job we all take for granted for rubbish pay and now longer hours in all kinds of weather and as my dh is finding out, with long term affects on health.( knackered knees)!

TinyDancingHoofer Wed 16-Jan-13 19:30:26

I'm hearing impaired so quite happy with my loud knocking postie. You can get please knock quietly signs.

FloatyBeatie Wed 16-Jan-13 19:32:37

I'm really grateful to my postman. He is always good-natured about the fact that my terrier curses him in seven dialects of shouting dog; he always takes the extra trouble to make sure I get packages; and he is always smiling.

Postal workers often get a hard time from their employers and I'd hate to add to my postie's troubles. I would feel mortified if my dog ever nipped him.

PhallicGiraffe Wed 16-Jan-13 19:53:05

Rofl, so what you are saying OP Is that postmen deserve to get bitten because they knock too loud? What an idiotic thread.

A postman knocks loud because he wants to deliver the packet. Doorbells mostly don't work - knocking is the only way to be sure of being heard. If you have psychotic aggressive biting dogs, then that is YOUR problem to sort out.

Preposteroushypothesis Wed 16-Jan-13 20:04:46

They will both use the doorbell and bang your door off its hinges! I understand they do it because people get cross if they don't hear them knock and miss a delivery but still tis annoying.

I am a childminder and my postie frequently arrives 30 seconds after I have painstakingly put all my mindees down for their nap, rings the doorbell twice and bangs on the door furiously like he's trying to alert me of a fire or something. All before I have even had a chance to draw breath. It makes me stabby

skullcandy Wed 16-Jan-13 20:15:56

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MurderOfGoths Wed 16-Jan-13 20:55:51

Actually wrt to knocking in case door bells don't work, two things,

1. I used to live in a 2nd floor flat, which was fairly evident from the fact our address was "Flat 3", we once caught a postie knocking on the door, we pointed out that the address was "Flat 3" and we were unlikely to hear the door, being quite a distance from it.

2. I've lost count of how many of them hammer on the door without even bothering to try the bell. Inevitably I'll get down to the door (have always lived in upstairs flats, hence the need for a doorbell, not a knocker) and say, "oh, is the doorbell not working?", to be told that it isn't and they've been ringing it for ages. Of course if I then test it I can hear, loud and clear, the sound of the doorbell.

3. The postie doesn't know if the residents are actually deaf, in which case knocking without bothering with the doorbell isn't going to achieve a hell of a lot. They need the doorbell to give a visible sign.

I totally get ringing the bell and then knocking. Makes sense.
I get knocking on the door quite hard. Also makes sense.

I don't get not bothering to use the doorbell.
I don't get hammering on the door until someone gets to it (aside from being annoying it can also be intimidating)
I don't get kicking the door (same reasons as above)

Most posties are great and are doing a hard job. But some really are just arseholes.

MurderOfGoths Wed 16-Jan-13 20:56:51

Edit: I wrote 2 things and meant 3. Too many painkillers fuzzing my brain.

Vagaceratops Wed 16-Jan-13 21:01:51

Mine always hammers on the door, then on the bay window.

You would have to be in a coma not to hear him.

He ignores the bell too.

BadMissM Wed 16-Jan-13 23:34:34

Royal Mail don't sue owners of dogs that bite Posties.... Dog Wardens are not interested as Posties have to go onto owners' property to deliver, so, is not the public highway. If posties refuse to deliver to certain addresses repeatedly they get in trouble, never mind the dog.

My DH is told to hammer on the door (town full of retired people), and they still ring up and make complaints because they 'haven't heard him'. He said it would be wonderful if someone put up signs such as 'please use doorbell, sleeping children', or 'please use doorbell, hearing issues', but they can't be psychic. They also very rarely do the same route...

That said, by the law of averages, there will be some Postmen who are arses, just like any other job....

D0oinMeCleanin Thu 17-Jan-13 00:43:29

If I thought they deserved to be bitten I wouldn't bother to restrain him and lock him in a room away from the front door, would I? I'd just leave him to it.

I would put a sign up but I live on a terraced street house in a non too nice area and one of the main routes home from the local 6th form. A 'Please knock quietly (although moderately would do)" sign would simply encourage people to start kicking my door in, in much the same way the postie does.

If I start ordering more I might have to have a word with PO and see if there is anything they can do, as it the companies I order most from use Hermes and I luffs the Hermes lady. I only get Royal Mail deliveries about once a month, once a month I can cope with being scared half to death. Not sure my dog can cope with it, but he seems to recover after about an hour of frantic pacing the hall eejit dog. He also has an issue with trees and wind <sigh>

Bluebelleswood Thu 17-Jan-13 01:41:09

Our postman beats a tattoo with one hand whilst ringing the door bell with the other. By the time I get to the door, I feel like biting him myself.

TerraNotSoFirma Thu 17-Jan-13 01:50:10

Our posties are lovely. The Hermes courier guy however.....walks past our front door, opens both locks on the side gate which bears the sign 'beware of the dog'
To come into where my GSD roams free, just to dump the parcel in the back door which is always open.
I told him not to do that and if he gets bitten its his own fault.

mademred Thu 17-Jan-13 02:11:45

That may be the case from your dh depot but I can assure you that from where my dh worked in the south west it was very much the dh only retired a year ago after serving 20 yrs on the job.and as you well know each office management are a law unto themselves in royal mail.we are so glad he's out of it because they get treated like crap now.

MurderOfGoths Thu 17-Jan-13 08:30:43

"He said it would be wonderful if someone put up signs such as 'please use doorbell, sleeping children', or 'please use doorbell, hearing issues', but they can't be psychic."

Surely if there is a doorbell then it suggests that the owners would like him to use said doorbell? Would you really need a doorbell and a sign telling you to use the doorbell?

Sirzy Thu 17-Jan-13 08:39:46

Considering how many people have doorbells which don't actually work I wouldn't assume that at all!

honeybee321 Fri 25-Jan-13 19:22:39

The amount of pressure a postal worker is under to deliver their mail is imense, they only have a specific allocation of time... Especially new starters who are most often then not only temps, and walk a very thin line between being in a job and not.

That being said... sometimes they dont see the doorbell, their always in different places. The first thing they do, is knock. And knock loud and clear. Regardless of it offending the occupier of the property, They're cold and want to get home- without facing the wrath of their managers. Not only that but they are walking 8 miles, and dont want to be standing outside a door, tapping, waiting for someone to hear them- when knocking ludly first time will determine whether your in or not.

If they see the door bell they will ring, but after ringing it, they cant hear if its rung...-and there are sooo many broken doorbells? sothey end up knocking anyway... and then after delivering mail to 500 houses- daily- 6 days a week... they get into the habbit of ringing and knocking... just to make sure you get to the door as quickly as possible...

And if you notice, they dont even have time to stand and talk to you anymore, because every last second is allocated... and if you take an extra 5 mins, finding your house key, they're running over... not that they'll say anything... more smile and be patient...

so say what you want about you're postie... but each and everyone of them works hard.

Emilythornesbff Fri 25-Jan-13 19:43:41

Ah poor postmen. There was an angry thread about RM delivery recently in almost the opposite vein. I don't like it when someone hammers on the door but it must be bloody frustrating to try a doorbell, wait, guess whether the bell works......... Knock with increasing volume (probably taking into account resident's hearing abilities and traffic noise) until someone may or may to appear as they may or may not be in to receive their parcel. Maybe we need larger letter boxes smile

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