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AIBU to think that people should only be allowed a 4x4 if they actually need one?

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boomting Sat 12-Jan-13 21:08:02

They are ridiculously fuel inefficient, and given the finite supplies of oil and the effects on climate change (and no this isn't a climate change thread!), I think that the government should only allow you to own a 4x4 if you have a demonstrable reason for needing one. You would have to submit a form and be issued with a special licence to own one. Reasons could include being a farmer, or having to tow heavy trailers that cannot legally be towed with a smaller vehicle. This isn't an exhaustive list of acceptable reasons, but people who only use them for the school run and going to the supermarket shop should not be allowed to use them.


Binkyridesagain Sat 12-Jan-13 21:54:45

Fiat panda,4x4, 2005, 54.3 mpg
Hyundai ix35, 4x4, 49.6mpg
Nissan quasqau,4x4, 47.1mpg
Volkswagen tiguan 4x4, 44.8mpg
BMW X3, 4x4, 50.mpg

Not bad for gas guzzlers, IMO comparable with 2 wheel drive for eg seat Ibiza 52.3 mpg

OwlCatMouse Sat 12-Jan-13 21:56:23

Lets ban impatient, arrogant dickheads from owning a car at all. Anybody that smokes with children in the car - instant ban. Bad parking - huge fine.

Blah blah blah.

wewereherefirst Sat 12-Jan-13 21:56:53

Hasn't it been found that all those driving the electric cars like the Pious are causing more harm to the environment than a normal car? They're fucking silent too, bastards.

yummumto3girls Sat 12-Jan-13 21:59:49

I have Discovery, I live in rural Devon. I love that I have 3 children but can still take their friends, I love that I feel very safe on the road, I love that that I can choose to have one. I'm a women, yes I can drive it well and park it in smaller spaces than most. What I hate is that people judge me on the car I drive, it does not reflect me as a person, it's my choice and no one else's.

RozziRaspberry Sat 12-Jan-13 22:00:40

My 4x4 has come in handy tonight as I had to pick up my daughter from a friends in the snow, I can see where you might be coming from if you live in a area that is rarely affected by bad weather.

Before we got our 4x4 I was stuck in the house for nearly a week with 3 young dchildren due to bad weather whilst dh was working away now I know I won't be stuck again for so long thanks to my 4x4.

Midlifecrisisarefun Sat 12-Jan-13 22:04:41

My large 4X4 has the same mpg as my Sil mini. She uses that to commute every day, my car is used to transport disabled DH and tow our caravan. On longer trips it is surprisingly efficient.
If you want to ban car usage why not extend it to under 19s now that the school leaving age is going up there is no need for teenagers to have cars and over 70s...reactions slower....parents with children... they can't concentrate with children fighting/crying/playing/ chatting etc etc
OR you could accept freedom to choose...

CoolaSchmoola Sat 12-Jan-13 22:05:51


*"They are ridiculously fuel inefficient..." Based on what evidence exactly? Because I know from experience that in the case of our very old Landy versus our very new Mazda that is totally untrue.

My DH has been using my 2 litre one year old Mazda non 4x4 to get to work for the past couple of weeks.

In doing so he has used FAR more fuel than he normally does in his 17 year old 2.5 litre Landrover Discovery.

Not only is his car SIGNIFICANTLY more fuel efficient than mine, but it has and will last a LOT longer - so it's more eco friendly in that sense too.

Added to that it is diesel - which actually takes a lot less processing from oil than petrol does, with less wastage... So better there too.

So it uses LESS fuel, which in itself is LESS processed, and LASTS longer, therefore producing LESS waste.

Yup, as I said, YABU and ill informed.

hermioneweasley Sat 12-Jan-13 22:09:01

I hope the OP doesn't have more rooms in her house than she strictly needs. Or ever fly anywhere.

gordyslovesheep Sat 12-Jan-13 22:11:54

oh I love a --lazy lets try and start a fight--good 4X4 rant - always always based on fact and never on envy or supposed 'greeness'

I would love one grin ( a 4X4 not an argument)

gordyslovesheep Sat 12-Jan-13 22:12:31

oh epic -- crossout failure -- there (head/desk)

Toughasoldboots Sat 12-Jan-13 22:12:44

They need to sort the pious out with some engine noise, they are lethal to anyone relying on sound to avoid being knocked over.

CoolaSchmoola Sat 12-Jan-13 22:18:02

Forgot to mention.... Our Disco has seven seats.

My Mazda is a Mazda 5 - so it too has seven seats.

We have one child and one dog and a great big caravan. We need the Landy to pull the van, and my DH just happens to be a Landy specialist so it makes sense to drive something he can fix/service himself.

My Mazda - no I didn't need seven seats, in fact the rear two are hardly ever up. I just love the fact I can get SHITLOADS of shopping in alongside a buggy and a dog. Hurrah!

TWO cars, one a 4x4, both with spare seating?! Oh the anarchy!!

SparkleSoiree Sat 12-Jan-13 22:19:34

There is a moped or motorbike that whizzes past my bedroom window every weekday morning and all I hear is a very quiet whizz as it goes by, every time I try and see it its already gone!

One day...that blooming quiet bike disturbing me..

wewereherefirst Sat 12-Jan-13 22:20:32

Coola Mazda 5s are awesome! I want one of the newer ones, they have a picnic table in! <kicks stupid estate car with no picnic table>

LiveItUp Sat 12-Jan-13 22:20:53

OP has started a bun fight and ... disappeared.

Binkyridesagain Sat 12-Jan-13 22:21:25

Coola, I think you'd better stop now, you'll overload the OP and their head will explode grin

UniS Sat 12-Jan-13 22:26:11

Now I DON'T own a 4x4 but I do drive one ( a work owned one, yes we tow large trailers, we also work on farm land) and I sometimes drop DS off for school using it, or pick him up from childminder, or do teh shop on my way home from work... where would OP like me to sit on this argument? licenced or not, or should I own another car as well, and make two journeys out of one ?
Does it make a difference that I live in a rural small village in a hilly part of the country and about 30% of families in the parish own a 4x4 , none of the village is on a priority 1 OR 2 gritting route.

I think the price of fuel is becoming effective in putting people off using them.. know several few families who own a 4x4( for work/ play) and a small cheap to run car( for practical run about stuff.

UniS Sat 12-Jan-13 22:28:44

Not very scientific, but I do the same route regulary with car, car with roof bars and bike or land rover disco 3 ( not towing).

MPG - car 41/42
MPG car with roof load ( 39/40)
MPG Landy - 30 ( and boss says I'm doing well to get that)

TapirBackRider Sat 12-Jan-13 22:32:51

You'd hate my neighbour, OP. He has 2 4x4s! Crivens - the horror!

To be fair to the bloke though, they're used in his business, and if and when it snows they're used to help neighbours and the elderly. Oh and the diesel consumption is a lot less than our bog standard Toyota.

How about doing a little research before coming up with a ridiculous idea like that??

Startail Sat 12-Jan-13 22:36:52


MadameCastafiore Sat 12-Jan-13 22:40:38

DH picked up a new one today, we live at the top of a huge hill which is treacherous in the snow and it may mean if it snows on Monday I get to work, in my low paid job working for the NHS. Would I qualify.

What would people have to do to qualify? Live in the country? Own a farm? Promise to pick up all the kids en route to school so as to save others petrol? Promise to do the shopping for all of the old people in a hamlet or half a village?

How are you going to administrate this and police it? If no snow for a couple of years do boundaries change and quotas go down? Will you compensate all the people who make the cars and will lose their jobs and the other industries involved?

MadameCastafiore Sat 12-Jan-13 22:42:59

Your argument gets stupider as you go on. Do you not realise many 4x4s are for more fuel efficient and in a lower tax band due to the fact that the new ones don't pump out such shitty amounts of harmful emissions

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sat 12-Jan-13 22:49:37

<wonders if Coola's dh might be a little heavier of foot in the Mazda> grin

SantasENormaSnob Sat 12-Jan-13 22:52:36


And wrong in most of your assumptions.

Viviennemary Sat 12-Jan-13 23:06:29

Why do people drive 4 x 4's. So they can say ya boo sucks to everyone. And I've got more money than you so hard cheese. grin

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