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Loyalists in Belfast missing a trick.?

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Stoneinwelly Wed 09-Jan-13 20:21:02

Watching the news on the rioting in N.I. Aibu in thinking the loyalists could turn the whole flag raising and lowering business to their advantage?
Nobody really notices a flag up everyday iykwim but one hoisted for special occasions would get more attention. They could get the bugle out ,like Ypres,
and have a cake and pictures for really special days like Earl of Essex' B.D.

ThePathanKhansWitch Wed 09-Jan-13 22:35:44

Yes bureni, I,ve met the most lovely generous people in Belfast, from every community.
It really is shameful, the behaviour.

bureni Wed 09-Jan-13 22:36:21

thepanthans, the last feud here was the funding of local youth boxing clubs, protestant boxing clubs did not receive any funding from the sports minister who is a hard line shinner as they were seperate from the Irish boxing clubs which cover all of Ireland, why should the British tax payer fund catholic only boxing clubs in the ROI and N.I or why should they fund ROI at all?

ThePathanKhansWitch Wed 09-Jan-13 22:40:43

That really is awful, storing up a mountain of trouble for the future.

apostropheuse Wed 09-Jan-13 22:41:42

Of course, many still believe that Ireland is one country with six of her counties being occupied illegally by Great Britain. That will never change.
It stands to reason that people who believe this don't want to fly the Union flag.

So, you either fly the Union flag and antagonise the nationalists or you fly the Tricolour and antagonise the loyalists. I suppose you could fly both flags and antagonise both sides.

Or perhaps just don't fly any flag at all and try to live in peace.

drmummmsy Wed 09-Jan-13 22:42:20

Loyalists in Belfast missing ther bloody marbles more like!

Might I suggest for those of you on Facebook to search for 'Loyalists peaceful protest update' - it's an eye-opener

weegiemum Wed 09-Jan-13 22:45:07

All this is why my wee family, despite protestations from dh's mum, extended family etc will never (as she puts it) "move back home". Dh left in 1988 for a reason, the children and I are Scottish.

All this mayhem over a bloody flag ? I've tried to understand NI, really I have. My dh is from an Ulster Protestant family, pretty middle class, and I just don't get it. At least when there's minor rioting in Glasgow, you know it was just the football!

soontobeburns Wed 09-Jan-13 22:46:49

YABVU OP but then again i am a unionist.

Its not just about the flag it is the fact that ex IRA scum is making these decisiontoto take away all that I British in our country. We pander (polticians and police) to this IRA agenda as they are afraid of the repercussions if they dont.
They want to rename the Royal Victoria Hospital and have named a park after a mass IRA murderer plus they are stopping orange marches and getting worked up over us celebrating the 100 years of our country.

This is not about a flag it is about removing all out culture and Britishness from the Island.

Also nationalists are starting the fights throwing bricks but the PSNI ignore that and just go for the unionists when they attack back.

Wow feels good saying that. I do cross community youth work and am not secterian in anywsy but it is nice to get my point across and that of many unionists.

ThePathanKhansWitch Wed 09-Jan-13 22:50:44

It,s so complex and emotive.

Freud said the Irish are the only nationality it was impossible to analyse, if you ask them a question, they change the question.grin

Sadly, it will run on i think, if not flags, soething else.

drmummmsy Wed 09-Jan-13 22:52:03

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bureni Wed 09-Jan-13 22:53:11

soontobe, you make a fair point after all the same councillors that removed the union flag get their wages from the British tax payer not Dublin. If Dublin decides to pay their wages then they might have some say in the national flag they fly.

soontobeburns Wed 09-Jan-13 22:54:05

Lol dr even on bbc news it explains the nationalists from Short Strand threw the first bricks and petrol bombs. It was a peaceful protest until they struck out. ( I say this as someone who works within Short Strand and lives beside it)

soontobeburns Wed 09-Jan-13 22:55:39

Exactly bureni I like you

marianasmum Wed 09-Jan-13 22:57:23

But soontobe the decision was made by a democratically elected council. The loyalist rioters need to put their vote where their bricks are come the next election, and go home to leave people in peace in the meantime.

apostropheuse Wed 09-Jan-13 22:57:56

In 2011 in Glasgow alone there were 300 orange walks. That's in Glasgow alone - in Scotland for goodness sake.

I wish to hell they would all be banned. There's absolutely no need for this shite any more.

ThePathanKhansWitch Wed 09-Jan-13 23:00:18

Thing is, whatever you may think of your councillors they are the elected representatives, that,s democracy I suppose (why I much prefer a good ole dictatorship).

No elected body can please all of the people, but, when most of the people are so diametrically oposed all of the time, it,s hard to see a way forward.

ThePathanKhansWitch Wed 09-Jan-13 23:02:41

X post marianne.

Stokes Wed 09-Jan-13 23:04:19

Yes, this week the nationalist scum threw bricks at the loyalist scum first. For the four weeks previous it was loyalist scum throwing bricks at just about anything, anyone they could. IMO, if you have a brick/petrol bomb/firework in your hand, your opinion becomes a lot less valid, whatever side you're on.

I can understand both sides in the flag debate wanting peaceful protest, but that's not what's happening.

soontobeburns Wed 09-Jan-13 23:05:33

I understand it was a democracy but it was Sinn Fein and SDLP who wanted it down All the time. DUP and UUP voted against it.

The issue is that Sinn Fein should never of brought it to vote in first place to come down fully.

suburbophobe Wed 09-Jan-13 23:06:34

Why can't they fly both flags every day?

get over yourselves!!

Stokes Wed 09-Jan-13 23:09:57

The thing is that to about half the population in northern Ireland, the union jack means You Are Not Welcome Here. And for the other half, the tricolour means the same thing. Nothing to do with flags is straightforward here as they are a symbol for national identity and we all know what as straightforward issue that is!

soontobeburns Wed 09-Jan-13 23:11:22

Btw just to say I do not agree with riots but I do understand why there is rioting. It is pissing me off (I couldnt get home at 10 on monday night due to the riots) but I can see why it is happening.

suburbaphobe why should we fly the Tricolour when we are British...also as stated its illgeal to fly the Irish flag. Thats worse than no flag. Tbh even I would riot at that.

apostropheuse Wed 09-Jan-13 23:13:00

You would riot? Good grief you need to get a life.

soontobeburns Wed 09-Jan-13 23:13:15

wonders why there is no fighting in Scotland do Scottish feel British? Random thought grin NI is more British than Scotland is atm. hmm

soontobeburns Wed 09-Jan-13 23:15:33

Of course I would fight for my right to remain British. I dont want to be part of a failing economy.

ThePathanKhansWitch Wed 09-Jan-13 23:19:32

I hate to be the one to break it to you soonto but...
George Osborne is making a hash of it.

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