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to not follow the 48 hour D&V rule, because no one cares?

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dreamingbohemian Thu 13-Dec-12 10:54:52

Okay so I have been brainwashed advised by countless MN threads that it's incredibly selfish to take your DC to school or other things without waiting 48 hours after D&V.

I thought this would be universal advice, but now I find myself living in a place where people seem a lot less worried about it.

Last week DS had some mild D&V -- he threw up a few times and had some diarrhea but was not really sick otherwise, was still happy and bouncing around.

My DH thought he should still go to the childminder on the second day, when he didn't throw up at all, but I said no because it hadn't been 48 hours. She also looks after a baby and a little girl who seems to get ill a lot so I thought that was fair enough.

Except, then DH had to take DS to the doctor to get a sick note (so DH could take off work) and the doctor said no, there's no 48 hour rule. And it turns out our childminder would have been fine with having him.

So in future, AIBU to not follow the 48 hour rule, because it's not actually a rule here?

(I'm in France btw)

OTTMummA Sun 16-Dec-12 22:44:31

My Hospital have the 48hr rule for visitors atm.
They also have a sign telling people not to smoke on the premises, but i still had to carry my baby through smoke into paediatric A&E this week sad there is a fucking piece of green land opposite the entrance, well away from the doors, why is it so hard to think about other people?

redwellybluewelly Sun 16-Dec-12 22:05:13

DD's nursery has a 48hour rule, they increased it from 24hours at the start of the September term in line with local education authority advice. We are UK.

I would not break that 48hrs rile simply because I have seen how much more effective it is. But your CM and your child.

upstart68 Sun 16-Dec-12 22:04:25

I'm still angry 3 years later - after another mum failed to observe the 48 hours and came round our house infecting us all for the whole of half term, which then spread to a family member having chemo. Why the hell couldn't she have just stayed in an extra day - particularly as it was half term i.e. no other commitments. She rang me up on the Thursday of the week, asking if I'd do a favour. No, I said. We're really unwell. Oh she said, yes we had that at the weekend. But yet she came round my house on the Monday and said nothing about it.

Mia4 Sun 16-Dec-12 22:01:48

Forgot to say that with the Noro, we can't go back to work for 2 days. I work for the NHS and when a whole department (almost) went off sick, two people only threw up once, so likely didn't have it and felt fine but they insisted they take 2 days off work.

Mia4 Sun 16-Dec-12 21:59:23

It's a good idea when dealing with Norovirus but not necessarily with others imo. Especially not food poisoning or if they seem perfectly fine during and 24 hours after. You are still infectious 2 days after with noro although some people can excrete the virus for up to 2 weeks after.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Sun 16-Dec-12 21:06:49

Booboo - those guidelines are Canadian not French!

agedknees Sun 16-Dec-12 18:52:24

I work in the NHS. If I have d&v I cannot go back in until I have been free of symptoms for 48 hours.

Enigmosaurus Sun 16-Dec-12 16:15:54

If more parents at my dc school had followed the 48 hour rule imposed by the school and recommended by the Health Protection Agency, my family probably wouldn't have caught norovirus twice within 3 weeks and the school probably wouldn't have had to close twice to deep clean to get rid of it.


CakeInMyFace Sun 16-Dec-12 16:12:53

Even the most diligent adult who is ott with hygiene can spread it because these bugs are very resistant...hand gels don't work either.

CakeInMyFace Sun 16-Dec-12 16:10:35

Norovirus can live on surfaces for up to two weeks and can be spread several days after the last bout of sickness. My friends with children usually allow 72 hours before coming into contact with anyone. It is highly contagious. We had it last year and every single member of my family got it one by one.

As others have said just because you or your child feels fine doesn't mean they are no longer contagious. If everyone was more diligent maybe these bugs would not be so bad. I personally think its incredibly selfish not to follow these guidelines.

ProudAS Sun 16-Dec-12 15:36:13

48 hour rule seems to be a British thing - in some parts of world they only advise adults to stay off work for this length of time if handling food or working in high risk environment such as a nursing home. Could be different for children who are much more tactile and not so good with hygiene though.

MsElleTow Sat 15-Dec-12 21:56:28

It's no wonder that Norovirus is rife when people don't follow the infection control guidance given out by the health protection agency!

If my DC's school, nursery, or childminder told me it was OK to send them back less that 48 hours after D&V I would find out who to report them do so they could be given the information on why it is dangerous to allow this!

dreamingbohemian Sat 15-Dec-12 21:47:48

Ah thank you booboo, that's interesting

Yes don't get me started on French bureaucracy! grin

Startail Sat 15-Dec-12 21:46:22

48 is new, pointless in schools unless you are the first person to be ill as the bugs bounce round utterly regardless.

Clearly it makes sense to avoid taking bug to work or for my lot to go to Guides where everyone else goes to different schools to them, in a totally different town.

BartletForTeamGB Sat 15-Dec-12 21:27:03

Health Protection Agency says 48 hours

Booboostoo Sat 15-Dec-12 21:24:21

Sorry should have said, it's on page 22.

Booboostoo Sat 15-Dec-12 21:24:01

French guidelines on return to school/creche for a variety of illnesses here:

It's 48 hours for D&V.

(the French have an insane bureaucracy, it would be very surprising if they didn't have something like this in writing, although they do have poor internet access for all these documents).

rednailpolish Sat 15-Dec-12 20:24:56

i think you should observe the 48 h rule!
kids particulary are infectious for up to 72 hours after the last incidence of D&V, it also wipes them out and so sending them to school is a bit harsh. But mainly, its really not ok to spread it about! D&V is very serious for some people, you would not be aware if there were any vulnerable children your child is coming into contact with... for example, my friends child had leukemia and bugs and illness had very serious consequences for her and her treatment... some things are more important than losing a days pay or missing a day of school... just because some people dont observe the advice doesnt mean its not good advice to follow

dreamingbohemian Thu 13-Dec-12 19:45:44

Well, this is why I'm asking what people think, exactly because I don't want to be selfish.

zzzz I just meant at least the childminder will know if any the kids he comes into direct contact with are already sick (her kids and the other mindees).

It just feels a bit odd, if the childminder says she's happy to have him, and he hasn't been sick for a day, to insist he stay home, especially because sometimes that will mean losing a day's pay.

I would still do so, if people think that's really the right thing to do, that's why I'm soliciting thoughts.

zzzzz Thu 13-Dec-12 17:40:42

How will she "know if any other children are sick or vulnerable"? She doesn't know every cousin, friend, neighbour, pg Aunty her charges come in contact with.

OTTMummA Thu 13-Dec-12 17:05:30

Just because your child is fine with being sick, doesn't mean that everyone else they spread it to will cope just as well, you wouldn't or rather shouldn't think it's ok to spread chickenpox to vulnerable people just because your LO is coping with it just fine. IMVHO d&v stricken people should be on lock down until 48hrs. It is 24 hrs for one instance in the food industry, 48hrs after the last instance if sick more than once. I really dislike these selfish people who don't care who catches every bug that runs through them or their children.

Jelly15 Thu 13-Dec-12 16:38:56

"Dreaming" What if the childminder then gets sick because you thought it was ok, as she can keep a better eye on him, then she gets sick beacuse of children coming back to soon after D&V, then you have no childcare and have to take even more time off. Really selfish attitude as the childminder probably has no income for those days she is ill and might have been avoidable.

wheredidiputchristmas Thu 13-Dec-12 15:02:35

I go with either 48hr rule or until Dc have eaten properly as I don't see the point of sending them back to school until they are better.

Both my eldest and youngest have had D & V this week and neither were well enough to go to school after 24 h.

hazeyjane Thu 13-Dec-12 14:50:27

I don't think it makes any difference if it cm, nursery, school, work or any other public place tbh.

As I said earlier, it is 48 hours in hospital, despite constant handwashing and use of handgels.

zzzzz Thu 13-Dec-12 14:15:56

It's just Maths really, 48 hrs after the last time you vomit/poo you are far less likely to pass on the lurgy. The other thing that helps enormously is washing hands before food and after toileting, and changeing clothes after sickness.

I'm a little shock MrsKR, why do you think 24hrs is fine? You are not less infectious just because you feel well. hmm

I agree it is a total pain. I have a large family and it is infuriating how many days are wasted on this. But we sadly get to be the cautionary tale family.

On a more personal note, small children can be really knocked by D&V bugs and will undoubtably recover faster given space to rest.

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