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Christmas - or 'holiday season'!!!

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Tw1nkle Wed 12-Dec-12 18:46:55

I know I might be being unreasonable......but the whole 'religious element' of christmas is starting to grate!

I believe that Christmas is the celebration of Jesus, and that is what we celebrate, but with todays' news that 25% of the UK are athiests - and they all have their own reason for celebrating christmas - which is fair enough.......I'm now of the opinion that it should be 'holiday season', not 'christmas'..........something that I would never have dreamt of saying in the past.

But the world is moving on, and so are beliefs, so maybe 'christmas' should too - or the 'season of christmas' at least.

Then people can celebrate whatever they want without having to feel like they have to explain themselves, or knock others beliefs.

The number of poeple today who have told me it's a pagan belief.....I'm shocked that a vast majority of the 25% of Atheists, didn't declare themselves to be pagan!

Sorry for the rant!

autumnmum Wed 12-Dec-12 18:58:00

I'm an atheist and I'm quite happy to use the word Christmas smile.

bradyismyfavouritewiseman Wed 12-Dec-12 19:01:10

The number of poeple today who have told me it's a pagan belief.....I'm shocked that a vast majority of the 25% of Atheists, didn't declare themselves to be pagan!

The church placed all its 'holy days' around pagan festivals when the were converting everyone and trying to abolish paganism.

Its is not known what actual day jesus was born.

Atheists are not pagans.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Wed 12-Dec-12 19:04:21

Christmas can be custom rather than religious if you want it to be.

It should not be holiday season, we are not American. And we only have this one holiday in the middle of the season, so it couldn't be holiday season. Holiday month possibly. The Americans get away with it because they have Thanksgiving and make a big deal out of Halloween. One event does not make a season.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Wed 12-Dec-12 19:05:32

And why are you shocked that atheists didn't declare themselves to be Pagan? That just said that they are atheists, not Pagans! confused

Bunbaker Wed 12-Dec-12 19:11:32

brady is correct. Atheists are not necessarily pagans. I don't want to Americanise Christmas and have to send "Happy Holidays" cards. Muslims celebrate Eid, Jews celebrate Yom Kippur and Hanukkah, Hindus celebrate Diwali etc. Why shouldn't Christians be allowed to celebrate Christmas and Easter? Regardless of whether you believe in God we are still a Christian country. Opt out if you want to but don't spoil it for everyone else.

NeedlesCuties Wed 12-Dec-12 19:15:33

YABU, very much so, in my opinion, but I'm sure there will be plenty who agree with you.

It's called Christmas, as the celebration of the birth of Christ, leave it as it is. You're welcome to call it holiday season if you want, but I think the Gov has tampered with enough and should just leave the name of Christmas alone.

bradyismyfavouritewiseman Wed 12-Dec-12 19:19:11

Atheists are not necessarily pagans.

An Atheist may correct me. But atheists and Pagans are completely different.

squeakytoy Wed 12-Dec-12 19:21:32

so would you send "holiday cards"??

because it is rare I see any xmas cards that have any sort of religious aspect to them..

Tw1nkle Wed 12-Dec-12 19:22:10

I'm a christian, and celebrate christmas as a christain, but it just seems that quite a few people today seem to want to tell me why they celebrate - like they have to justify themselves.....it makes me want to justify myself - which I shouldn't have to, as I'm christain!

If it was a broader celebration, everyone could just get on with it!

MissCellania Wed 12-Dec-12 19:22:28

It doesn't really matter what we call it, its primarily a secular festival by now and not a religious one. To most people, Santa, turkey and presents are far more important than jesus, which is wonderful.

Call it what you like, and let the religious minority pretend its still all about their traditions. The majority of us will just get on and celebrate without church or prayers.

Lonecatwithkitten Wed 12-Dec-12 19:22:34

It is the Christ Mass the service Mass service to celebrate the birth of Christ. I celebrate the lead up to it advent and then the day. I only have christmas day off.
What everyone else does and believes is entirely up to them.

MissCellania Wed 12-Dec-12 19:23:35

Oh, and that isn;t justification, its fact. It's a few sneery christians wondering why atheists celebrate that want us to justify it. We don't need to.

squeakytoy Wed 12-Dec-12 19:23:41

and while 25% of the UK may be atheists, the rest of the world isnt, and Christmas is a pretty universal celebration.. not just limited to this country.

bradyismyfavouritewiseman Wed 12-Dec-12 19:23:52

I don't get your point.

You feel you must justify celebrating the birth of christ as a christian?

Tw1nkle Wed 12-Dec-12 19:23:52

squeakytoy - after today, yes I would send 'happy holiday' cards - if I could find them (admitantly, I haven't looked, as all my cards were written last week!), that way I know I wouldn't be offending anyone by sending them a 'Merry Christmas' card.

Bunbaker Wed 12-Dec-12 19:26:40

"It's a few sneery christians wondering why atheists celebrate that want us to justify it."

None of the Christians I know are sneery. I come across far more sneery non believers than believers. Live and let live I say.

Sirzy Wed 12-Dec-12 19:27:35

Christmas means different things to different people. Just because they chose to celebrate it differently doesn't mean they can't call it Christmas still.

Do you want to change Easter to?

I have yet to meet anyone who is offended by being given a christmas card.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Wed 12-Dec-12 19:28:00

We have the very helpful phrase 'Seasons Greetings' for when you want to send a card to someone who isn't celebrating Christmas. There are plenty of those around.

And Christmas is a broad enough celebration that we can all get on with it IMO. It's a cultural custom as well as being religious. I know Muslims that celebrate Christmas. Just the same as I have celebrated Diwali despite not having a particular faith.

bradyismyfavouritewiseman Wed 12-Dec-12 19:28:05

Twinkle can you answer a couple of questions?

Who has got offended by a 'merry christmas' card?
Why would atheists declare themselves pagan?

bradyismyfavouritewiseman Wed 12-Dec-12 19:29:14

Personally if someone gave me a card for a religious event they were celebrating, but I was not. I would feel quite touched that they had thought of me and included me.

squeakytoy Wed 12-Dec-12 19:34:01

what on earth happened today when you gave christmas cards out then???

Tw1nkle Wed 12-Dec-12 19:34:36

bradyismyfavouritewiseman - Offended by a christmas card - no-one has told me they have been offended, but I feel that a 'season's greeting's' card may be a better option for me to send in the future.

Tw1nkle Wed 12-Dec-12 19:35:25

squeakytoy - An unbelievable debate on facebook!

Pandemoniaa Wed 12-Dec-12 19:41:12

It's always a mistake to confuse atheists with pagans.

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