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Child Protection Issue - What do I do??

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NeedHelpASAP Thu 15-Nov-12 20:46:05

I need help desperately, I am so scared I will loose my children and I don't know what to do. This proberly isn't the right place but did not know where else to post as need replies soon.

The problem is with my dad and daughter.

He collects my daughter every day from school for me and has done for the last 3 years as I work, he picks her up and drops her straight off with me as I get home at 3.30pm.

Today he dropped her off as normal and told me she had been very naughty in school today (on-going problem with behaviour) and he told her off but she ran away from him and then fell over, he showed me the cut on her knee which is consistant with falling over (a small graze).

I cleaned it up no problem, spoke to my daughter about the dangers of running away, nearby roads etc. and left it at that.

I then got a call from school asking me to come in immediately.

Thinking it was over her behaviour today I asked if I could speak to them in the morning as had to get tea on and sort out my younger children (4 and 1 years old).

They then said they were calling about the 'incident' with my dad!

They went on to explain that 4 parents! had been into / phoned school to make a complaint about my dad assaulting my daughter!

They explained that according to the complaints my dad had been shouting at my daughter when she ran away, he then grabbed her arm and pulled her back with such force that she stumbled against him, he then continued to shout at her and pushed her into a wall.

I am gobsmacked! I have of course spoke to my daughter and she says no, she says he shouted at her, she ran away and fell. The same story my dad gave me.

I don't think she would lie to me, she normally likes 'telling tales' to get other people in trouble and she has not got a mark on her, other than the graze to her knee. No bruising / finger prints to her arm etc.

I don't believe my dad has done this but 4 different people, why would they say this had happened if it hadn't?

Who do I believe my dad or 4 strangers?

School have contacted social services who came briefly to my home and asked me to sign that my dad would have no contact with my children during the investigation or they would be taken into foster care! I have of course signed and will not be able to go into work until I find someone else to collect her from school.

I don't know what to do, I don't know who to believe, I can't believe this has happened but I can't understand why people would say this? I am in tears, I am scared I will loose my children.

Someone please tell me what happens from here?

saintlyjimjams Thu 15-Nov-12 21:09:53

A cross posted. If the child saw your daughter getting told off and the incident was meant to happen at the same time that is very confusing.

NeedHelpASAP Thu 15-Nov-12 21:10:09

They have not said 4 COMPLETELY SEPERATE, just 4 parents. They could be friends they could not, they could be together they could not. I don't know this but yes it would make a huge difference.

Yes I have parental responsibilty for my daughter, her bio-mum is incapable of caring for her.

lovebunny Thu 15-Nov-12 21:10:31

knowing how horrible school gate mums can be, i'd be wary of believing them. and, of course, you won't want to trust your dad at the moment.
what a horrible situation for you to be in. i wish i had an answer but i don't.

izzyishavingababyAGAIN Thu 15-Nov-12 21:11:27

Social Services do not have power of removal during an investigation, they can only suggest and advise, you dont know it was 4 "separate" reports - they could have all been together and had a "chat".

I know of someone who is currently on bail pending trial for rape and sex with a child who is still living at home with his children (and therefore has access to all their friends), the mother was "advised" by social services to remove him, they removed him one night, he was back the next and there is nothing they or the police can or will do about it, because he is "innocent until proven guilty" in the eyes of the law (the fact neither the CPS or Police believe he is innocent is irrelevant). Its disgusting and disgraceful but I can promise you it is a fact.

saintlyjimjams Thu 15-Nov-12 21:11:56

It does sound potentially like chinese whispers. As others have said do co-operate. And ask them for help if you a struggling with her behaviour. They can sometimes be helpful.

Flojo1979 Thu 15-Nov-12 21:12:30

Well I actually would go with your dad. Before reading everyone's response, I had a picture of a group of mums going to the office together relaying things and embellishing the story as it went.
Unless u have a real reason not to believe your DD and your dad then I would make sure your DD knows u believe her and trust her and I feel so sorry for your poor dad.
But I guess in time you'll work out exactly what happened.

lisad123 Thu 15-Nov-12 21:14:05

No point going over who said what what and why, they have said it, it can't be taken back sad
I would do as SS tell you, and maybe see if the school can have her for the extra time you need or a CM can pick her up and drop off.
Sounds like dd is a handful sad

saintlyjimjams Thu 15-Nov-12 21:15:24

If your instinct is to believe your dad I would.
But even if I did I would still play it way SS want to. It will make it a lot easier I think for them to close the case if you cooperate. Make it clear that your dd's challenging behaviours do sometimes require physical intervention to keep her safe , tell them that you've heard conflicting stories but this would be out of character for your dad, and let your dd tell her story.

Good luck!

MrsDeVere Thu 15-Nov-12 21:20:36

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

bumperella Thu 15-Nov-12 22:26:35

Ultimately what you can do now is the same wether your Dad or the parents are correct. Speak to your Dad to tell him SS have told you you must keep DD away frm him until after the investigation. That your stressed and busy and that you're going to struggle to see him until after the investigation as will need to be with DD. That buys you time until the truth comes out, and is honest and is almost certainly the fairest thing to do for both your father and DD.
Awful situation though.

Bigpants1 Thu 15-Nov-12 23:49:17

If your dd is not yours biologically,then you & she will be known to SS?
SS will not remove your dc, but they want you to keep them safe, as do you, while they investigate. It's a horrible situation for you all, but your dad will understand, & hopefully, the investigation will be soon, cos a young dc is involved, & can't be expected to remember exactly what happened over many weeks.
If you speak to your dd re the incident, try not to ask leading questions, or put words inher mouth.(Not saying you would).
I don't think your dad should be telling your dd off for behaviour at school. It will be a trigger for your dd-she'll have been told off in school, & then gets " it" again on the way home. Does your dad also speak re her behaviour on the way to school? Perhaps he knows her behaviour stresses you & is trying to help, but is becoming frustrated with lack of progress?
I'm not saying your dad did what has been reported, but I think he should steer clear of school issues, & you ask the school to either telephone you, or send a letter re dd's day at school.
You say she has had a troubled past & undergoing assessments. In this case, I would let the school deal with behaviour there, & you deal with behaviour at home. I personally dont think it's fair to tell a child with difficulties off for behaviour that will have already been dealt with at school-it's overload.
I hope things are sorted quickly, & please remember to look after yourself as well while this is on-going.

WorraLiberty Fri 16-Nov-12 00:01:36

When I complained to the school about a grandmother beating her 6yr old grandson whilst walking across the playground, they asked me if anyone else had seen it. When I said yes about 3 others had seen it, they asked them to make statements to the CPO too...they said SS would want as many different accounts as possible.

That's probably why there are 4 statements.

NeedHelpASAP Fri 16-Nov-12 00:03:28

Sorry i vanished suddenly.

The police have been to take a statement from my daughter and were then going to my dads, no idea what has happened as scared to ring him in case it's seen as notcoperating.

Hard to explain bigpants but i have not adopted my daughter and so not know to SS. Her bio mum basically gave her to me, it was very unofficial but i do have parental responsibly as part of the residence order.

The school do not usually tell my dad about her behaviour, they write in her book but today was a very bad day and they told him. He wouldn't usually tell her off either unless he is dealing with the behaviour at the time but from what I am told she came out of school kicking off so he didn't have much choice.

I just wish they could tell me more about what has been said or seen.

What if SS don't believe him or my daughter, can they prosecute on the witnesses versions? What will that mean in terms of him seeing her? Is he still ok to see his other grandchildren in the meantime?

IneedAsockamnesty Fri 16-Nov-12 00:10:44

If it wasn't ok for you to call him you would have been told not to.

Bigpants1 Fri 16-Nov-12 00:22:32

Please try not too worry. You are still in shock. Don't even think about prosecutions or anything like that just now.
SS will bring you up to speed, when they talk to you.
I don't want to open a can of worms, but bear in mind, SS may want to speak with you re how dd came to be with you, as they may say, this could play a part in her behaviour as well. (not wanting to worry you, just pre-arm you so to speak).
You will need to check with SS, but I doubt your dad will be able to see any of your dc till the investigation is complete. If you mean grandchildren of other members of your family, then I'm not sure, but best to check.
I'm sure you can ring your dad-he's not seen as a danger to you. You will probably feel better if you speak to him, cos he'll be able to tell you what happened with the Police. And, your dad will probably be relieved to speak with you.
Try to get some sleep. Do you have a partner or any rl support?

Walkacrossthesand Fri 16-Nov-12 00:28:09

I'm not an expert, but I think it would take more than one 'pushing a challenging 9 year old' (if indeed that is what happened - which remains in doubt) for a prosecution to be brought. Social care are probably struggling just as much as you are to make sense of it!! With regard to whether grandad can see the other dc's - best to ask social care, they may be assuming that the 'no contact' covers all the dc's & you don't want to get it wrong.

Startail Fri 16-Nov-12 00:28:23

I'd be really furious, one incident of a older gentleman disciplining a DC just like most of us in our 40's were disciplined by deeply loving parents. Investigate, what a waste of tax payers money and SS's time.

Christelle2207 Fri 16-Nov-12 07:33:12

is that legal op?

Spatsky Fri 16-Nov-12 07:36:00

Surely you will be expected to call your dad, if only to explain then no contact and that he can't pick your daughter up from school until further notice.

So sorry about your situation. I totally understand how gossip and exaggeration could lead to reports like this. There is a dad at my children's small gossipy village school that is quite shouty and anti social and it is regularly speculated by a number of mums that he may hit the kids despite not actual evidence of such at all. Sometime people and see and interpret what they expect to see.

That said, at least with an investigation you can hopefully feel totally comfortable about your dads involvement, or lack of, and won't have constant nagging doubts.

MrsDeVere Fri 16-Nov-12 08:06:21

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

sashh Fri 16-Nov-12 08:11:57

my daughter's behaviour means we are not popular at school.



fluffyraggies Fri 16-Nov-12 08:39:12

I have no profesional advice to add, but would err on the side of agreeing that it sounds to me like a group of four mums going in together, but making separate statements.

When i read your first post OP, i pictured a 4 or 5 year old child and thought hmmmm, excessive use of force by your DF at the very least there! However, now you have said she's 9, and has behavioral issues i can easily see what a tricky situation your DF was in. Having to 'manhandle' a 9 year old girl across a playground would not make comfortable viewing even if being carried out by a person trained in 'safe handling' of children with behavioral and anger issues. It is practically impossible to safely physically control a struggling child of that age if you haven't had any training.

I'm seconding the thought that SS will be able to give you and your DF some help, in fact, because of this incident. It sounds like he is struggling at the moment, and could do with support handling the young girl, not accusations.

So sorry this is happening - i'm hoping this has a positive outcome for you very soon.

ll31 Fri 16-Nov-12 08:46:05

bizarre how the other mothers views are being dismissed as if they were kids on a playground- just because its your dad. who has been violent previously....

diddl Fri 16-Nov-12 08:52:41

What I don´t understand is why he was telling her off before she ran away?

Perhaps she wouldn´t have run away if not for that?

If she has been "naughty" in school & it has been dealt with-perhaps he needs to say nothing.

I think a lot of us, if we had got back a child who had run away would just get them swiftly to the car & home & not continue the shouting?

SDeuchars Fri 16-Nov-12 09:43:32

MrsDV, I'm confused about This is a voluntary arrangement so SS are not required to be involved.

My understanding is that if you look after someone else's child (unless you are child's grandparent or aunt/uncle) for more than a month, it is an informal fostering arrangement and SS need to be involved. My experience is having foreign children on a six-month educational exchange.

[Sorry to hijack, OP.]

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