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to wonder when a pie sudddenly became a casserole with a lid?! ... where's the rest of the pastry?

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Fairylea Fri 12-Oct-12 09:45:55

Yes. I am bored.

But seriously I've had several pies in pubs recently and they have all just effectively been a pie filling with a lid of pastry.... where's the pastry round the sides and bottom ?

I just watched them making a pie on daybreak and..... they did the same thing !

I'm outraged.

When did this become acceptable?

I don't like it.

Yanbu - its not a pie unless its encased in pastry. Any other way is a casserole with a lid.

melika Fri 12-Oct-12 09:49:31

I agree. Half a job, I call it!

HappyHippyChick Fri 12-Oct-12 09:50:31

YANBU, I recently had a pie out where the pastry lid wasn't even cooked on top of the casserole. I was given a completely virgin oval of pastry next to the dish.

I was outraged <hoiks bosom>

MeFour Fri 12-Oct-12 09:51:24

I agree but my dh doesn't like the pastry underneath so I make them without. He'll only eat puff pastry too so it's the least of my worries

Fairylea Fri 12-Oct-12 09:51:29

So I'm not alone smile

I did wonder if it was some health kick thing but then if you were that fussed about it then you wouldn't even order a pie.

It's all wrong.

Mrsjay Fri 12-Oct-12 09:52:54

and you can't get into the dish so you take the top off and you are just eating stew jut make a bloody pie and give it to me to scoff, the daybreak chef was making leak and chicken pie the other day , No love it is a turkey stew not a pie I had pie rage grin

Trills Fri 12-Oct-12 09:53:30

I went to a pie party recently.

Everyone had to bring a pie.

One of the rules was "a pie is not stew with a lid on".

Fairylea Fri 12-Oct-12 09:54:34

Oooh yeah I hate not being able to cut into the pie... ! And I love the soggy pastry at the bottom..

I'm feeling the pie rage on this thread smile it's cheered me up.

MadgeHarvey Fri 12-Oct-12 09:54:52

I hate this too - and having had some experience of a professional kitchen I can tell you it's down to nothing more than sheer laziness! Those laughable little ovals of pastry on the side come straight from freezer to oven to your plate in a minute - same with the ones just plonked on top. I don't know what they should call it - but a pie it ain't!

FredFredGeorge Fri 12-Oct-12 09:54:52

YABU Pies are either.

Maybe you need the Americanism "pot pie" introduced to distinguish the types?

Mrsjay Fri 12-Oct-12 09:55:15

One of the rules was "a pie is not stew with a lid on".

Quite right too .

TBH i am a rubbish cook so can't make pies so I only eat a pie if im out and I am really dissapointed

boaty Fri 12-Oct-12 09:55:24

Just read this to DH...he totally agrees with you and says its pubs being cheapskate...he says its trade descriptions...and not to get him started!!! grin When we go out he always asks if it is a proper pie with top/bottom/sides and a filling..if not won't order it!! He says we ought to have a national protest hmm
<goes to get ready for work and leave him muttering>

HipHopOpotomus Fri 12-Oct-12 09:56:28

I wondered this 18 years ago when I first moved to UK. I worked in a pub cooking and this is how I was instructed to make "pies". I've seen them everywhere like this.

The lid was cooked alone - the "pie" filling heated in a ramekin, pastry lid baked & then plonked on top (lazy food).

So YANBU to wonder, but it's far from a new thing.

Fairylea Fri 12-Oct-12 09:57:24

(Laughing at national pie protest day) smile

MrsRajeshKoothrappali Fri 12-Oct-12 09:57:48

Ooooooo, this also gets my goats!!!


It's laziness. Hear that, pubs? Laziness.

Every pie deserves a bottom. That's how the world works.

blonderthanred Fri 12-Oct-12 09:57:59

We used to have these sometimes at home, they were called floaty pies. Usually rhubarb or steak & kidney. A pie should have a bottom unless otherwise specified though.

Mrsjay Fri 12-Oct-12 09:59:51

MY mum makes her steak pie in a large dish and puts her pastry on top but the dish is huge so you can cut a slice I let her off cos it is so tasty,

KentuckyFriedChildren Fri 12-Oct-12 10:00:48

It's called a "top crust" pie and I agree it isn't really a pie without a pastry bottom.

RatherBeOnThePiste Fri 12-Oct-12 10:02:04

Sometimes though that's too much pastry innit?

<waits to be shot down>

Mrsjay Fri 12-Oct-12 10:02:17

when I make a casserole I sometimes cut some pasrty and and have pastry squares I don't call it a pie though

Ooh Trills I love the idea of a pie party! Dp would move me though, he's still laughing aboute saying I wanted to join the Pudding Club blush

Mrsjay Fri 12-Oct-12 10:03:04

Sometimes though that's too much pastry innit?

If it s puff pastry then yes too much puff grin but shortcrust is fine

huntersmum Fri 12-Oct-12 10:03:25

I was recently served this type of 'pie' in a pub but the whole thing had been doused in gravy so the pie dish was sitting in a pool of gravy. It just seemed really yuk and unhygienic. The pastry was undercooked - it was all just wrong!!!

ArtfulAardvark Fri 12-Oct-12 10:03:27

DH makes them like this - cant be bothered to rollout, line dish, bake blind...

Still I guess its still a "pie" of sorts but probably if we had the time we would prefer to have the real thing with pastry top and bottom.

Oh and we are strictly home made shortcrust pastry, none of that tasteless puff crap!

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