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to be a little shocked at the laissez faire attitude to drugs on here?

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ThatVikRinA22 Wed 03-Oct-12 13:13:50

at risk of sounding like your mum and pulling a cats bum face grin

im a bit shocked. Ive seen reference to drugs and recreational drug use on here before, and while i love the diversity of mn, im always quite shocked at what seems to be a majority? view that recreational drugs are just part of life, that its ok because 'professionals' do it too, that its not the same to be seen to use cocaine at the weekend as it is to be a shoplifter or prostitute with an addiction to herioin....

is it just that no one sees the murkier side of drug use?

i suppose i see the darker side because of what i do for a living, but even before that, i would never have been tempted to try. There are the wider issues with production, trafficking, crime, gangs, and the environmental issues in production
just one such story here

my brother was a heroin addict, and i lost my sister to drugs, one way or another, i believe drug use contributed to her death. Seriously, most the crime i deal with is in some way drug related. Two weeks ago i was involved in an attempted murder over cocaine and cannabis supply.

i am not some rabid campaigner, but this is mumsnet - are most of us parents? i find it odd that people can froth about the small stuff, that people get pilloried for some really bizarre stuff on here while threads about drug use get a fairly "meh" response. (yes its a thread inspired by the coke using teachers assistant....)

why is that? genuinely interested to explore why coke use is seen as ok, and wonder what is not ok?

if its ok for the TA to use coke at the weekend, is it ok for them to smoke crack? or use heroin? doctors were mentioned on the last thread....would you undergo an operation knowing your doctor or surgeon had used coke? or smoked cannabis?

if its just part of life, where would you draw the line?
do people not realise what it takes to get that gram of coke at the pub at the weekend?

THERhubarb Wed 03-Oct-12 13:41:59

Because it's a "cool" attitude to have.

Pretending that you are ok with drugs seemingly gives you a rebellious streak and because drugs is still seen as a bit 'rock 'n' roll' that's the attitude that some posters like to put out.

Don't believe everything you hear on Mumsnet. Most of those advocating drug use are probably recluses who never so much as touch a drop of sherry but want people to think they're some kind of rock chick.

I'd just ignore them.

ThatVikRinA22 Wed 03-Oct-12 13:43:33

coke not harmful? really? since when?

i really wish i could tell you some of the stuff i see.

Thumbwitch Wed 03-Oct-12 13:43:33

I do see what you mean on that thread, Vicar. I have heard that a lot of people in high-pressure jobs do take cocaine, speed etc. (not so much heroin, different effect) but that doesn't make it right and certainly not ok!

Not something I've ever been tempted to do, really - and I'm not too old to have missed it - but I've known about the dangers from early on and have no desire to bother with it.

Reading H for Heroin (the life of Christiane F) as a young teen really helped put me off to start with; and then an acquaintance was at a party of a school friend, who was a known drug user (as were most of her friends) - still don't know the absolute rights of the situation but it appears he tried some drug, became extremely ill the next day and developed paranoid schizophrenia with devil delusions - was put into a mental institution on 24h watch, and still managed to escape during lunch hour to the roof, where he threw himself off and died. He was 21.

It's all very well saying "what they do in their private life is their own business" but if it's regular and continued use, it spills over into everything - someone my ex worked with was a daily cannabis user and highly volatile/paranoid; the son of a colleague was a regular and fairly heavy cannabis user who developed bipolar disease - there are too many instances of people (and these are just the ones I personally know of!) suffering long term effects from continued drug use to assume that it's going to be ok and "their business". hmm

Convert Wed 03-Oct-12 13:50:59

I agree with Nancy. I don't see a problem with someone having a few glasses of wine a couple of times a week but I do see a problem with someone drinking all day every day. I don't see a problem with someone having a few lines of coke on a night out but someone injecting themselves with heroin every day is different.
My DH used to run a nightclub so we did recreational drugs. It never impacted our lives, the same way he now runs a pub and we enjoy a few drinks. I would never take an e again but I have on the very odd occasion, probably once a year had a gram of coke when the kids are away for the weekend and we are out with other people who indulge.
I don't have a problem with drugs and can take or leave it, the same way I can with alcohol.

apachepony Wed 03-Oct-12 13:52:23

I guess people just look at their own experiences. Cocaine certainly can devastate families, I know that, - just as almost drug, legal or illegal can. II don't do it really any more as I know it can be dangerous & don't like sticking stuff up my nose. However, I know a lot of people who have taken cocaine, mostly in v good jobs, and absolutely none of them have been devastated. Almost everyone has pretty much moved on. Whereas everyday I walk past heroin addicts, and they're like walking zombies. So I personally see a difference - we're all the sum of our experiences. Also heroin is much more addictive, as addictive as cigarettes, and again my personal experience tells me how difficult an addiction like that can be to knock.

Nancy66 Wed 03-Oct-12 13:52:48

Yes drugs are illegal - but that doesn't mean people aren't going to use them and it doesn't mean that some drugs aren't less harmful than alcohol.

I don't think having a cats bum mouth approach is very useful.

The reality is that most people under 50 will have tried them.

honeytea Wed 03-Oct-12 13:55:43

I think that the problem is that there are things that are very damaging that are legal and even glamorized in the UK, I'm thinking about drinking and smoking. Personally I feel like cannabis is less damaging to the individual and to society than alcohol and I feel a little like it should be a free choice as to if you want to use cannabis. I know others with a similar veiw but with different opinions as to which drugs are acceptable. I must add I do think that cannabis is less damaging than alcohol but I don't use cannabis.

I grew up in a very liberal part of the country and went on to work in a creative industry so drug use has been all around me my entire life, I have a close family member who is a heroin addict and my father is schizophrenic due to LSD use, my father is also an alcoholic. I certainly have seen the darker side of drugs but I have also seen the darker side to alcohol. I feel like in a society where alcohol is available on every street corner and is joked about on the TV it is a little hypercritical to react so strongly to some light drug use, for example smoking a small amount of cannibis in your own home on a friday evening is less bad than drinking 10 pints and having a fight (in my opinion.)

I guess I just feel like there should be a more realistic attitude to the various drugs and alcohol rather than a blanket "drugs are bad" attitude.

Anonymumous Wed 03-Oct-12 13:55:44

I agree with you, OP.

THERhubarb Wed 03-Oct-12 13:56:09


Most people under 50 lie and pretend they have tried them.

Nancy66 Wed 03-Oct-12 13:57:50

Rhubarb - why would they?

Pretty much everyone i know tried drugs. They don't use them now.

HerOffTheInternet Wed 03-Oct-12 13:58:14

who the fuck is cats bum mouthing?

a big fucking red cross and kick up the arse more like

SammyTheSwedishSquirrel Wed 03-Oct-12 13:59:58

The reality is that most people under 50 will have tried them.

No it isn't. Research shows the opposite.

2011/2012 drug misuse figures

HumphreyCobbler Wed 03-Oct-12 14:00:35

I would say about half the people I know took drugs in their youth. Not now though. I am not making this up.

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 03-Oct-12 14:00:51

i was once told that loads of drugs come into the uk up peoples bums, since then i have had no desire to try any. true or not it worked.

ThatVikRinA22 Wed 03-Oct-12 14:02:33

i just asked DH what is seen as the difference between coke and heroin.

he said "class".

it is bizarre to me that coke is seen as ok, while heroin is not. they are both addictive. they both cost lives. they both cause chaos and heartache. why is one ok, and one not?

THERhubarb Wed 03-Oct-12 14:03:01

Taking drugs is like pretending that you had Irish ancestory when that was considered to be cool.

No-one wants to be the one who had a boring lifestyle and never tried drugs. Most people make this shit up.

Yeah, your friends might have tried drugs. Whoopee for them, but it's bollocks to say that half the population have just because your friends did. If you believe that then the drugs obviously didn't work for you.

SammyTheSwedishSquirrel Wed 03-Oct-12 14:03:24

I was thinking the same as your husband VicarInaTutu.

squoosh Wed 03-Oct-12 14:03:53

Most people I know have tried at least one drug on at least one occasion.

ThatVikRinA22 Wed 03-Oct-12 14:06:02

im under 50. ive not tried anything, and have no desire to. nor has DH. nor have my teens. i just asked DD if she ever tried drugs - she went "drugs"!! no!

apparently the girls dont do drugs. its all the boys, and as where i work the drug of choice of the under 18s is MCAT and is gang related.

is this all good then?

Thumbwitch Wed 03-Oct-12 14:06:14

Because coke is the drug of choice by the professionals, Vicar. And I suppose because it doesn't need injecting, does it?

honeytea Wed 03-Oct-12 14:07:12

I have never met anyone who took heroin casually, do people do that, just shoot up every other saturday or something?

I have met very many people who take coke casually, and I have never met anyone addicted to coke.

I guess maybe it is the reason people take the drug, from the few people I know who were heroin addicts they took heroin because their life was so horrid and they had so much they wanted to block out that the life of a junky was better than the reality of their emotional demons. The people I know who take coke do it as a fun thing to do at a party.

squoosh Wed 03-Oct-12 14:07:20

Both heroin and cocaine are dangerous but heroin seems to have more of a psychological pull in terms of a swift addiction and the constant pursuit of that first unforgettable high. I'm not downplaying the physical impact cocaine has on people but heroin seems to be swifter and more devastating.

squoosh Wed 03-Oct-12 14:08:42

Girls don't do drugs?

honeytea Wed 03-Oct-12 14:09:20

I think it depends where you live/what job you do. I don't know anyone in the UK or in Australia who has not tried drugs, now I live in Sweden I don't know anyone who has tried drugs but then a glass of wine on a tuesday is frowned upon

Nancy66 Wed 03-Oct-12 14:10:06

I would hope that by the time you're in your 40s you're past the stage of trying to look cool in front of your mates.

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