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To believe it is immoral to pay less than 30% income in tax

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babybarrister Mon 01-Oct-12 22:27:19

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HorraceTheOtter Mon 01-Oct-12 22:33:49

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MadgeHarvey Mon 01-Oct-12 22:35:33

Yeah. Right. You first OP and don't bother waiting for me.

noviceoftheday Mon 01-Oct-12 22:38:28

I am confused. Do you think someone earning minimum wage should pay 30% income tax? confused

londonone Mon 01-Oct-12 22:38:43

Absolutely bugger all 'moral' about taxation! I happen to think I can spend my money better than the state and will do all legally possible to keep control f as much of my money as I can.

WorraLiberty Mon 01-Oct-12 22:39:31

Yeah well I am immoral

I put sugar on my Frosties this morning and felt no guilt at all.

getrealandgetalife Mon 01-Oct-12 22:39:42


OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos Mon 01-Oct-12 22:40:53

Anyone that doesn't pay income tax for years on end when they are healthy is immoral IMO.

rhondajean Mon 01-Oct-12 22:41:39

As the basic tax rate is 22% YAbu.

DilysPrice Mon 01-Oct-12 22:44:05

On ten grand YABU. On ten million YANBU.

LittleBearPad Mon 01-Oct-12 22:46:21

OP can you explain why you've picked 30%. That isn't a tax rate?

GrimmaTheNome Mon 01-Oct-12 22:46:37

Why 30%? Given that we also pay National Insurance and VAT.

I'm old enough to have had to pay 30% (or was it a tad more) income tax and I don't think that made me more moral than I am now!

However, anyone who uses loopholes to avoid paying whatever is the normal rate for their level of income is unethical.

scarlettsmummy2 Mon 01-Oct-12 22:51:33

I think 30% is more than enough and I am happy to stick to my 20% thank you.

Devora Mon 01-Oct-12 22:54:32

Do you mean that even minimum waged should pay 30%? Or that tax avoidance is unethical?

If the latter, I agree with you. If the former, I don't.

whois Mon 01-Oct-12 22:58:20

I'm all for a flat rate of income tax, but 30% above the pa is pretty punitive!

20% tax I didn't mind.
40% income tax I hate. Feels like there isnt much point when so much is taken in tax.

But then everyone thinks they pay too much tax, don't they.

monkeysbignuts Mon 01-Oct-12 22:58:38

I presume the op means once you go over the 22% tax bracket. Its staggered anyway isn't it? so you would pay 22% on the first 44k (I think its 44) then 30% on anything over that?

theinets Mon 01-Oct-12 23:03:56

Thankfully I haven't paid income tax for years as am self employed. No job security mind you but I feel better off as don't pay as much tax.

BackforGood Mon 01-Oct-12 23:05:37

I don't think the OP has phrased this well - can you come back and clarify ?

LittleBearPad Mon 01-Oct-12 23:39:10

Monkey it's 40% over £44k not 30%. I agree it would be good if the OP clarified.

Devora Mon 01-Oct-12 23:47:56

I don't think I pay too much tax, no. Sorry if that sounds po-faced.

LCarbury Mon 01-Oct-12 23:48:06

What if you give a lot to charity?
What if you pay tax in another country?
What if you employ a lot of people and pay payroll taxes for them?
What if you run a profitable business and could choose to incorporate in a Benelux country and stay in the UK and pay the full UK corporate tax rate of 24-ish%?
What if you are an avid Christian and tithe 10% of your income to your church, or a Muslim tithing 2.5 to 20% (courtesy of wikipedia I have to admit)?

Anyone in these situations would probably feel they were acting in a moral manner regardless of net Treasury take.

Devora Mon 01-Oct-12 23:51:32

They'd be wrong, LCarbury, in my view. Giving to charity does not obviate the need to fulfil your social responsibilities. I don't see why giving money to your church or your pet charity should let you off paying for your share of local road repairs/schools/welfare benefits for those unable to work.

LCarbury Mon 01-Oct-12 23:53:59

Are they not fulfilling their social responsibilities by complying with the rule of law?

HardHittingLeafletCampaign Mon 01-Oct-12 23:55:49

How I wish for a 30% tax rate!

LCarbury Mon 01-Oct-12 23:57:31

Some people feel that they would rather have control of where the money goes so it is true that this ends up with donkey sanctuaries rolling in money and drug offender charities losing out. However, the UK spends a great deal on defence and a pacifist may prefer to donate to CND - is this immoral? Say the pacifist take out an ISA and a pension and avoids tax in other such legal manners and pays it to CND instead?

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