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teacher who has run off to France with his 15 year old pupil - thread 2

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shesariver Thu 27-Sep-12 16:26:35

Original thread has reached 1000 messages and cant see another one so hope IANBU to start this, stuck at work and wondering what the press conference has said?

Maryz Thu 27-Sep-12 16:30:09

The whole thing is just terrible.

Let's hope we can get through this thread without more "blame the parents" and "15 year olds are very mature you know, and do what they like".

hmm.

<considers copying and pasting chunks of other thread to save time>

SayersIsBetterThanGreggs Thu 27-Sep-12 16:30:57

The press conference had his devastated parents begging them to get in touch......tbh I find all the tail chasing in threads a bit hmm

shesariver Thu 27-Sep-12 16:34:52

I do feel sorry for his parents, at the end of the day they will have a mix of emotions to - hes still their son and they will be dealing with a fair share of negative comments to I would imagine.

Maryz Thu 27-Sep-12 16:34:54

Yes, we should really get this moved wander off to "In The News" and let this die, maybe shesariver? What do you think?

SkippyYourFriendEverTrue Thu 27-Sep-12 16:35:19

Apparently there is an arrest warrant for him now, for child abduction. It seems a shaky ground to me, it strikes me that in France it is legal to elope with a 15 year old.

shesariver Thu 27-Sep-12 16:37:41

Fair enough, it really is more a "news" topic but because original thread was here I thought this the best place to get the same peoplesmile

Maryz Thu 27-Sep-12 16:38:11

Yes, but not in England, where he took her from. And like it or not, she is a child, and a child under the age of 16 is not allowed to leave the country without permission of his/her parents. So taking them, even willingly, is a criminal act.

EldritchCleavage Thu 27-Sep-12 16:38:23

What more is there to say about this, really?

Maryz Thu 27-Sep-12 16:38:44

Probably is, river, I just feel a bit bad about rehashing it all.

Not bad enough to shut up, obviously blush

shesariver Thu 27-Sep-12 16:41:06

eldritch you dont need to say anything if you dont want to, is it a new rule then that when a thread finishes we all must stop talking about something that I have broken?

Sallyingforth Thu 27-Sep-12 17:14:20

Surely it's all been said many times over.

There's nothing more to add until there is fresh news.

OhSoSimple Thu 27-Sep-12 17:19:04

Personally I think the European arrest warrant is a bad idea. They will probably attempt to leave the EU or it will drive them further underground in desperation. This warrant means he will be arrested for child abduction and she will be removed and put into protection, whatever that entails.

As much as I think he made a really bad call and is completely in the wrong for allowing or encouraging her to come away with him I cannot understand the mass hysteria.

Although I'm sure if it were my daughter I would think differently.

SkippyYourFriendEverTrue Thu 27-Sep-12 17:50:29

Doesn't help, I feel, that his Dad has come on practically saying his son has a screw loose. If it were me, it would make me more determined to bugger off to Thailand or somewhere and try and stay there for a couple of years.

Aramis Thu 27-Sep-12 18:11:40

regarding downplaying the whole incident... perhaps I should clarify again

Children go missing in Britain all the time. Vulnerable children, ones who could easily come to harm. Are they allotted such police and media attention?

Equally there are many very violent and nasty criminals on the run - again I have not seen their mugshots on the BBC front page for days on end.

There is something very very wrong with our priorities here. And it's interesting that over the course of today people's attitudes seem to be shifting a touch from 'OMG hang them!' to 'hey, isn't this all getting out of hand'?

Aramis Thu 27-Sep-12 18:22:53

PS: according to google, a child goes missing in the UK every three minutes.

juneau Thu 27-Sep-12 18:30:07

I agree with you Aramis. I'm shocked by what a hullabaloo there is. There are far more terrible things happening to children all over this country every single day than a 15-year-old choosing to run off with a 30-year-old. I'm not saying what they've done is right - what he's done is particularly wrong - but the press coverage is waaaay over the top.

EldritchCleavage Thu 27-Sep-12 18:31:09

No need to be ratty, river, just asking the question.

edam Thu 27-Sep-12 18:31:39

She was 14 when he started grooming her. 14!

Viviennemary Thu 27-Sep-12 18:33:38

It doesn't need to be first item on the news every single night. But it is a serious business and every parent with a daughter that age will be thinking that could have happened to their family. I think if the school were aware of the situation and the teacher was due to be suspended then the parents should have been informed.

shesariver Thu 27-Sep-12 18:48:29

eldritch, didnt sound like that to me thats all.

Some of the comments after the story in the DM are rather appalling, not the majority thankfully as it would be deeply depressing to think that some people don't see a relationship between a teacher in a position of trust and a pupil wrong, regardless of their age.

Maryz Thu 27-Sep-12 18:49:23

Aramis, it's because (as I wrote on the other thread), he is her teacher.

If he was some random man this wouldn't receive much attention at all. But we all try to protect our children, and the one place we presume they are safe is at school - it is the one place (and teachers are the only people) where we pass on our parental responsibility, knowing that they will be looked after.

This, by a teacher, is a massive betrayal of that trust.

It's why the bar is higher for teachers where it comes to relationships than it is for the general public, and allowing this to go unchallenged makes many children vulnerable to figures of authority.

shesariver Thu 27-Sep-12 18:56:21

Agree with that maryz. Im not a teacher but this is integral to the teaching profession, in the same way it is integral to my profession of Nursing, its in our code of conduct.

MammaTJisWearingGold Thu 27-Sep-12 18:59:47

I think any child going missing is terrible, no doubt about that.

What is really terrible here is that the school and the police seem to have known about their 'relationship' but nobody told the parents.

MammaTJisWearingGold Thu 27-Sep-12 18:59:47

I think any child going missing is terrible, no doubt about that.

What is really terrible here is that the school and the police seem to have known about their 'relationship' but nobody told the parents.

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