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To think they should leave dead kings where they are?

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Goldmandra Wed 12-Sep-12 22:37:02

and other people who died a long time ago?

How long does someone have to be dead before it's OK to dig them up again?

PicklesThePottyMouthedParrot Wed 12-Sep-12 22:40:39

I'd rather be moved than have a lidls on my head.

Yellowtip Wed 12-Sep-12 22:41:37

I'd want to be dug up if I was buried under a social services car park, Leicester or not, king or not, murderous hunchback or not (etc.). He's in with a shout for Leicester cathedral. Good for him I say.

TunipTheVegemal Wed 12-Sep-12 22:41:50

But now we know he is there, it would be very inconvenient and a possible healthy and safety hazard for the carpark users to keep having to deal with Richard III fanatics standing there communing with his spirit and leaving flowers where they need to park their cars.

JumpingThroughMoreHoops Wed 12-Sep-12 22:41:53

Who in particular has caught your attention??

I don't personally hold with grave disturbance, it sits uneasy, but I suppose if the remaining tombs in th Valley of the kings weren't opened, or celtic burial mounds, we would know little about history. I'm never at ease with remains on display though

EdithWeston Wed 12-Sep-12 22:43:00

I think I'd rather be dug up and reinterred rather than being the foundations of a car park.

And compared to how the bones and body parts of mediaeval saints were hawked around, it's positively respectful. DCs were a bit disappointed that St Chad's Head chapel in Lichfield Cathedral no longer had St Chad's head in it (I don't remember if the guidebook said where it finally finished up).

TunipTheVegemal Wed 12-Sep-12 22:43:47

It would be terrible if there was an unseemly wrangle over who should get the remains, wouldn't it? Just terrible.

I like the suggestion of taking him back to Middleham Castle, but then there's Westminster Abbey to consider. Leicester Cathedral is really not that great and in desperate need of something vaguely interesting to pull in some tourists.

Goldmandra Wed 12-Sep-12 22:45:05


Someone reckons they've found Richard III under a car park in Leicester.

Yellowtip Wed 12-Sep-12 22:47:49

Two of my close relations were 'dug up' and moved back to their home country in Eastern Europe in 1994. I think they flew Lot. I'm sure they're happier there than in N.London though (they were by a very, very busy road).

JumpingThroughMoreHoops Wed 12-Sep-12 22:53:07

thank you gold found the article

Also has spinal abnormalities and an individual form of spinal curvature, consistent with accounts of Richard III

Allegedly a Tudor myth. The Tudors had the first of 'spin doctors'. Richard III was superbly dissed by Henry VII when he took the crown at Bosworth. There was never any prior mention of Richard III being deformed.

I see the body is on the old Grey Friars site which is one of several supposed burial places of Richard III.

I wonder what ever happened to the Two Princes?

Yellowtip Wed 12-Sep-12 22:53:51

Well when you say 'someone reckons they've found' Richard III: the bloke in question does happen to have an arrow in his back, curvature of the spine and was killed by a massive blow to the head which all fits with contemporary accounts of his mishaps in battle, physique and the manner of his demise. And this skeleton has been found in the church where Richard III was always believed to have been buried. Sounds plausible to me.

qo Wed 12-Sep-12 22:54:02

"I'd rather be moved than have a lidls on my head"

hahahaaahahahaaaa!!! grin

TunipTheVegemal Wed 12-Sep-12 22:54:46

Come and join us on the other thread here

Yellowtip Wed 12-Sep-12 22:55:08

I'm guessing you're a Tudor then Hoops.

KitCat26 Wed 12-Sep-12 22:56:40

Sorry I find it fascinating <disclaimer-archaeology geek> so yabu.

And they will bury all the skeletons again probably after years of research. I thought they had already decided where they would reinterr Richard III if it turned out to be him?

Edith if your kids want to see a skull, go to St Gregory's in Sudbury, Suffolk. Simon of Sudbury's head is in there after he was beheaded by the mob during the Peasants revolt. Not a saint, but a Lord Chancellor.

EdithWeston Wed 12-Sep-12 22:56:57

I thought I heard the skeleton showed signs of scoliosis - a progressive curvature of the spine which varies enormously in both rate of onset and degree of severity. It's a diagnosis which could cover a gradual change in appearance, and be a grain of truth underlying a monstrous hunchback myth?

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 12-Sep-12 22:58:00

He ought to be in Westminister Abbey with the rest of them!

EdithWeston Wed 12-Sep-12 22:58:56

Kitcat26: thanks! We'll have a look if we're ever that way. They did have a macabre fascination with the shrunken heads in the Wellcome Collection.

crackcrackcrak Wed 12-Sep-12 22:59:11

I'm sooooo excited about this. I'm from Leicester and I get v geeky about Richard III grin

Viviennemary Wed 12-Sep-12 23:02:36

Well I wouldn't normally agree with this but it's not very dignified to be buried in a car park. Not for a King and I'm not even a royalist.

Colyngbourne Wed 12-Sep-12 23:05:11

If Leicester doesn't have him, then York Minster should, and would be preferable IMO.

No way should he be in Westminster Abbey anywhere near Henry Tudor - and wouldn't have wanted to be in the south anyway. He was likely preparing York as his final resting place.

As the only King of England without a designated tomb, it's fair enough that they've tried to find his remains. As yet, it's not proven that these are they.

JumpingThroughMoreHoops Wed 12-Sep-12 23:05:42

I'm guessing you're a Tudor then Hoops.

Norman as it happens - like anyone else who faffs about with family tree, I'm the 27/g/granddaughter of William the Conquerer - as are about 20 million other people in the UK! thats the trouble with a matriarchal line - girls are just so unimportant! 5 generations later, I haven't even got a princess as g/g granny let alone a Lady or a mere Right Hon!

finduspancakes Wed 12-Sep-12 23:05:43

If you knew that place, you'd want to be moved too.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 12-Sep-12 23:19:16

Henry Tudor had only a tenuous link to the throne. Bury HIM under a carpark instead!

Goldmandra Wed 12-Sep-12 23:38:53

Am I alone in finding it a bit intrusive?

I was once given an impromptu tour of an archaeological dig and found myself looking straight down into a grave-shaped hole onto a full skeleton.

It felt like a gross invasion of that person's privacy and completely wrong to be poking around. The fact that they'd been there a while didn't make it feel any better.

They'll never know for sure if it was him or not so what's the point?

DH says he hopes the council are sending him a backdated parking bill wink

Are there many Richard III fanatics who would come to commune with his spirit and leave flowers?

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