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to think that as an experienced midwife I should earn more than a window cleaner?

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whatinthewhatnow Mon 13-Aug-12 16:57:46

My mum's window cleaner charges £18 for an hour's work. I get £17. Does society really value window cleaners more than midwives?

In no way showing off, and this rarely happens, but I did dramatically save a teeny life on wednesday. It was really fricking scary. I work so hard, my women seem to really like me and I really do try so hard for them. I feel totally undervalued and stressed and I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth it, for £17 a bloody hour. FFS. <<buys ladder and banjo>>.

FredFredGeorge Mon 13-Aug-12 16:59:34

A window cleaner does not earn 18 pounds an hour though - he charges 18 pounds for the hour he works on a particular site, he also has travel between sites, materials to buy etc. etc.

But even if he did then yes he does, people deserve to earn what people will pay them to do the job, anything else is madness.

schoolgovernor Mon 13-Aug-12 17:00:22

The window cleaner is self-employed. He gets no sick pay or holiday pay. None of the benefits that are accessible to NHS staff. No public service pension scheme. Does that put a different perspective on things?

Kladdkaka Mon 13-Aug-12 17:00:51

Plus he has to pay taxes on that and his own pension contributions.

pudding25 Mon 13-Aug-12 17:02:02

Whatever the window cleaner earns, a midwife should earn a hell of a lot more than they do. As should nurses.

DesperatelySeekingPomBears Mon 13-Aug-12 17:02:16

hmm go and be a window cleaner then...

Sirzy Mon 13-Aug-12 17:02:26

Why would anyone pay their window cleaner £18 an hour?

TroublesomeEx Mon 13-Aug-12 17:04:16

Tell me about it.

Bin men in our LA (don't know if it's standard across the country) earn more than teachers.

In fact, you don't start to earn the same as bin men until you're at the top of the main pay scale.

And the country/government doesn't hate you. And you don't have to spend 4 years at university.

belgo Mon 13-Aug-12 17:04:27

I'm not particularly considered with what window cleaners earn, although I do wonder why they earn more then household cleaners.

What does concern me is that health professionals are still badly paid in comparison to other professional jobs, which is madness considering the shift work, and physical and mental stress of health care jobs.

NCForNow Mon 13-Aug-12 17:05:22

My window cleaner charges £5.00 for the front and £5.00 for the back....some people only pay for what shows.

Anyway...yabu. He's up ladders, risking his neck...he also has no insurance or union.

I am a copywriter...I charge around £15.00 per hour. Is that alright?

JumpingThroughHoops Mon 13-Aug-12 17:05:23

£18 an hour? you must be in the sticks. Mine charges £7 for a house (and he's cheap) and he can 5 an hour.

TroublesomeEx Mon 13-Aug-12 17:05:23

Oh and before someone suggests it, I did look into it but it's such as attractive proposition that it's a closed career. Once people get into it, they don't leave. No way you can earn that much money anywhere else with no qualifications.

TroublesomeEx Mon 13-Aug-12 17:06:17

We pay our window cleaner £10 a time. It takes him around 30 mins so that sounds about right.

usualsuspect Mon 13-Aug-12 17:07:24

Most of the bin men around here are agency workers.So what do you think someone that empties your bin should earn?

TroublesomeEx Mon 13-Aug-12 17:07:42

NC I would imagine he does have insurance. Surely that would be a necessity. He'd need Public Liability Insurance anyway in case he accidentally caused damage to property.

TroublesomeEx Mon 13-Aug-12 17:08:31

Not more than teachers or nurses.

StealthPolarBear Mon 13-Aug-12 17:09:24

really FolkGirl?? How much does a bn man earn then?
OP, I agree in principle but that is not what he earns, it's what he is paid.
Also, if I was making a list of people who are paid a hell of a lot more than they are worth, window cleaners would likely not be on it grin

usualsuspect Mon 13-Aug-12 17:09:28

Do you think they are lesser people because they didn't go to university? That they don't deserve a decent wage?

nittyclitty Mon 13-Aug-12 17:09:32

AS others have said they have to travel between jobs all the time, need equipment, parking costs, risking their bones up a ladder, and have to take out Tax, Ni and pension and insurance etc.

belgo Mon 13-Aug-12 17:10:45

'Also, if I was making a list of people who are paid a hell of a lot more than they are worth, window cleaners would likely not be on it '

yes that is so true!

Methe Mon 13-Aug-12 17:10:56

I look after frail elderly people over night for the grand sum of £6.08 a hr with no break, no sick pay, no pension and no other benefits.

just sayin'.

Saltycopporn Mon 13-Aug-12 17:10:58

I think Yabu. If money drives you then change job. I would also advise caution if you are trying to rank your own profession above others, you will come across as conceited.

YusMilady Mon 13-Aug-12 17:11:41

I earn loads more than you do OP, but I've never saved a 'teeny life'. I just sit around in an office, solving problems. Sorry!

JumpingThroughHoops Mon 13-Aug-12 17:12:01

I have to say, I'm usually on the side of education = experience = salary BUT I don't like the implications that some jobs are somehow less worthy than others.

We can't all be brain surgeons, but even brain surgeons need some one to stack the shelves in supermarkets and empty their bins.

TroublesomeEx Mon 13-Aug-12 17:12:12

About £30,000 p/a. There are stories of them earning £45k but I suspect those particular individuals do hours of overtime and sacrifice a lot of their family time to do so so I'm not including them.

No I don't think they are lesser people, but the reason they justify the costs associated with university are that you will earn more than someone who doesn't.

Emptying bins is hardly a skilled job.

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