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AIBU?

to be utterly offended and upset at my family.

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MrsTwinks · 15/12/2011 11:52

My gran has alzhemiers, and this developed when there were a few rifts in the family shall we say.

Basically my father is her next of kin these days, as his only brother ripped her off for loads of money before going awol. NO ONE has seen him in 4 years at least (theres an outstanding police warrant too so i mean no one). gran lives near her sister, but dad lives abroad so she does day to day etc as nana is used to seeing her all the time.

Social services call us when theres anything like consents needed (like for anestetic when she broke her hip) and I ferry calls etc, but on advice from her doctors as she is violent etc (she was sectioned, it took a few police to get her in the ambulance) we dont visit very much. Last time my brother went she had to be sedated after as she was screaming at him that he wasnt him an imposter etc. Last birthday call she was telling my dad to pay them whatever ransom they wanted etc. I know its waffle but its just so you understand we are interested but not local and its all on doctors advice we dont visit etc.

There was a family bust up earlier in the year when sister and her H went in to the home with a priest and got her to sign over her bank accounts, so now dad doesnt deal with them. He doesnt have the money to go for them legally over it unfortunately, and not much we can do without we've been told.

Now, its 10 days until Christmas and sisters H has sent me her funeral arrangements.No care that its a total shock that her funeral has been arranged let alone done without us!! not to mention the arrangements are bollocks. AIBU to be really upset at the first I'm told of this is opening a letter and pulling out a fucking funeral plan!?! and this time of year too! This man is family, his W if my godmother as well as my GAunt and all i get is a slip of paper saying please forward this to your father. They have my number, his number. My cousins also live nearer Gran and have me & dad on FB so all I can assume is either they werent aware of this "plan" or didnt bother tell me or dad either!!

(sorry for any spelling mistakes etc, TBH here on my own and really upset so not best typing conditions)

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SayYuleNowSayWhipTheReindeer · 15/12/2011 11:56

I'm really confused Confused

But you're probably NBU.

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squeakytoy · 15/12/2011 11:59

I am assuming your gran is still alive, but it all does sound very confusing.

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MrsTwinks · 15/12/2011 12:00

shes not dead, they've arranged it all in advance. Sorry v upset here.

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NinkyNonker · 15/12/2011 12:02

Totally yanbu, and I understood you.

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JustGiveMeTheWine · 15/12/2011 12:03

To be honest im surprised the Sister and husband could get your Gran to sign anything legally without social services as she lacks capacity!

I work in Elderly Care where many have Dementia, no one can sign anything without social services involvment! Not families or patients.

Has your father been to the CAB or contacted your Grans Social Worker?
Has anyone asked the staff how this was allowed without your fathers knowledge as Next of Kin?

BTW YADNBU unreasonable to be so upset about this!

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Kladdkaka · 15/12/2011 12:05

Arranging someone's funeral before they've even passed away is more than a bit creepy. I'm so sorry for you.

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squeakytoy · 15/12/2011 12:05

I think, because of the past history between your Dad and his sister, they want to keep communication to a bare minimum.

I dont think you are being unreasonable, but it sounds like an all round difficult situation, that there really isnt any solution to.

I suppose the only other way of seeing it is, at least they sent the plan, and didnt just produce it when the time for using it arrives. :(

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MrsTwinks · 15/12/2011 12:11

JustGiveMeTheWine IIRC they got the Priest to witness the signature as of sound mind (another issue entirely as never my nana's priest) at the moment or similar. Social services offered no help to my Dad when he complained about it, told him legal route etc. He was half way through trying to sort it out via the solicitors, so all he had went on that bill, and hes currently unemployed. It was before she

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MrsTwinks · 15/12/2011 12:13

(premature posting)

It was just before she was "upgraded" on the scale, so maybe it was lucky timing.

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MrsTwinks · 15/12/2011 12:14

not dads sister, his aunt.

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SnapesMistressofMerriment · 15/12/2011 12:16

YANBU, do you think they are going after the money?

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diddl · 15/12/2011 12:18

No help, but I am horrified that a priest has signed & that it is being accepted by banks!

Also disgusted with the priest-I´m assuming that he has no medical background & your Gran had been diagnosed with Alzheimers-so what on earth was he thinking??

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MrsTwinks · 15/12/2011 12:18

Wouldn't surprise me, and TBH my gran always thought her BIL was a tight arsed money grabbing git (told me so in those exact words many times). One of the reasons Dad was so upset over the signature thing was no one who knew her would think she would every hand her money over to him.

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JustGiveMeTheWine · 15/12/2011 12:20

they got the Priest to witness the signature as of sound mind (another issue entirely as never my nana's priest)

Just because he's a priest (one that has nothing to do with your Gran anyway) it still doesn't sound right. She still lacked capacity therefore was in no fit mental state to agree to signing her bank account over to the Sister.

This is more of a legal matter, so I suggest going to get free advice from the CAB. As your DG has been taken adavntage of before by a member of family it should be taken seriously. Contact Age UK or any of the charities to get advice on where to go from here.

It could be a case of POVA (protection of Vulnerable Adult)

Hope you get this sorted, I really feel for you OP.

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JustGiveMeTheWine · 15/12/2011 12:27

Also I don't understand why Social Services call for consent for Medical Reason but say it has nothing to do with them when anything like consent for signing money over to a member of family who is not next of kin.

Sounds like a serious complaint needs to be made here OP!

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Chundle · 15/12/2011 12:37

Definatleyook into POVA it will come under that. Sorry to hear what ur going through

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Ineedacleaneriamalazyslattern · 15/12/2011 12:44

I would be very surprised if they had actually got things signed over to them I think they have her money but are pulling the wool in how they got it. My gran is in a home and both my dad and my uncle have control over her personal matters. Before she entered the home and before her Alzheimer's diagnosis ie she was having "spells" of confusion and unusual personality traits but was the majority of the time appearing lucid and well, my uncle and dad looked into making some changes in how their personal responsibility was shared between the two of them. They were told in no uncertain terms that my gran was in no fit mental state to consent to it so was unable to sign anything.

Is it at all possible they are lying about them having legal control? Could they have written ip their own contract and got the priest Hmm at the priest agreeing and that it isn't legal at all.
The funeral letter was in poor taste and can see it was a shock although when my grans health began to deteriorate she Sid plan her own funeral and pay for it so that nobody had to worry about that when she goes.

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suburbophobe · 15/12/2011 12:45

How utterly nasty! I feel for you.

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cantspel · 15/12/2011 12:47

It is not that unusual to arrange a funeral before death. Both my inlaws had prepaid funeral plans and it did make everything much easier when the time came to use them.

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diddl · 15/12/2011 12:49

I agree that prearranged/prepaid funeral not that unusual-but why would you need to send anyone details?

Surely they are just implemented when the time arrives?

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cantspel · 15/12/2011 12:58

Both my husband and his brother held copies of the plans for his parents> It was easier that way as when the time came each had the details so knew what was to happen and whom to contact at the relevant time. It was alot easier than all the ringing around we had to do when my parent died without a plan.

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GoingForGoalWeight · 15/12/2011 13:03

YADNBU - Sister and Husband took control of her bank accounts - why?

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bubby64 · 15/12/2011 13:04

My Mum has Altzheimers, and we have Enduring Power of Attorney for both finances and care needs, and, even though she is not as far down the demetial route as your Nan seems to be, she would not be able to sign anything containing a financial agreement, and if she did, it would be delared nul and void.
If there is a EPoA for your Nans finances, all you have to do is contact the funeral company and let them know this, and they would have tear up the agreement, because even a priests signing that she is of sound mind cannot over-rule the EPoA terms.
Mind you, I know it is ghoulish, but we have a pre-paid funeral plan for my mum, as we got a shock when dad passed away, and even the cheapest funeral cost over £3,000!

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MrsTwinks · 15/12/2011 13:06

I can appreciate doing it, but we werent told they were and the arrangements are a little Confused

one car to follow, and in my dads words that'll be a squeeze as him, uncle (if they can find him) 10 Gdc's, 9 GreatGdc's and those two who organised it. Maybe not cars for everyone but more than one surely. Oh no they only need a car right. Arrangements for burial with my grandfather also seem a bit half arsed TBH, no provision for a headstone for her or anything more than her in the box in the ground with those two attending. Is that usual for these things?

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MrsTwinks · 15/12/2011 13:10

its not a power of attorney they got her to sign as far as we know. Only giving access to her bank accounts. Much more dodgy Angry but we've had very little help as Dad is abroad and I'm not next of kin. We've also been demonised by the family at large (irish catholic so HUGE) for objecting to them doing this, so its a bit us against everyone else saying oh its ok they're helping. helping themselves more like

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