to be fed up with allergic children being blamed for school lunchbox policies(58 Posts)
I think yab a bit u however can see where you are coming from.
If a ban makes it easier for the school then is that bad? If some parents feel more comfy sending there children to school knowing that one environment is more likely to be safe then there is nothing wrong with that.
Basically what I am saying is it should ideally be a case by case basis,
Just because something is banned it shouldn't for a second replace parents bringing up children to be vigilant and very much doubt it does
I don't ask because to be honest I don't care.
My kids aren't allowed nuts at school...not a big deal.
They're not allowed fizzy drinks, chocolate or most junk foods either...again not a big deal.
Ah sorry op, just saw the other thread. My dd is not at nursery yet but if a ban were in place for others' safety I wouldn't mind anyway.
But a ban doesnt make it easier for a school, it just lulls them into a false sense of security?
But schools are between a rock and a hard place. If there are two children with serious nut allergies and one set of parents want a nut-free environment and the other set don't, what is the solution?
I'm with the OP - nut bans are ridiculous. Nuts (let's pick on that one, as it appears most popular, shall we?) are a fabulous food that are great to give your children for a healthy snack. When we're all being told not to give children sweets / sugar / crisps etc, what could be better than a completely natural product?
As the babybarrister rightly points out, avoiding a nut in a lunchbox is easy... (why are children in a position to swap food anyway?) avoiding them in 'hidden' places is the real problem. She knows what she's talking about.
When did we turn into such PC sheep?
Are we going to ban bees from the playground?
If my school banned nuts, I'd make a point of sending them to school with a nice slice of healthy nut roast.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
babybarrister you make a very good point.
I agree with you totally. (its youarekidding btw!) As you know my DS is allergic to ketchup and 2 weeks ago had a hive when in a room with children eating it He was OK obviously! The school do ketchup on a Friday and I have argued with county that he doesn't need an allergy form about eating school menu as ketchup is an extra - therefore not included in the meal.
I simply stated what it needs is for him to refuse it and for people to know why. The school, the school cook and now county agree with me.
This gets me too, partly because I'm unlucky enough to have a dd allergic to dairy, but lucky enough that she is not allergic to nuts. Nut butter is one of her main sources of fat and protein, since milk/cheese/butter are out. Nursery lunchboxes are a nightmare - we aren't allowed to send her with nuts or seafood, and they won't reheat meat or fish or rice. Add in the usual 3 year old peculiarities when it comes to what they will and won't eat, and we're pretty much down to hummus sandwiches daily. It's ironic that those most inconvenienced by the various bans are actually the very children they are seeking to protect.
I would hope most people realise that "nut bans" are school decisions rather than the fault of allergic children/their parents!
I agree with you though - just banning one allergen is pointless. And schools should be able to manage children with allergies without banning things.
Thanks for posting this babybarrister. I never thought much about where these bans came from and always assumed it must start with the family of the child with an allergy. I shall now be more open to the idea that it wasn't necessarily their idea.
It is weird isn't it. We have the no nuts thing in our school but I have 2 boys who if they have gluten are very ill but don't see schools banning sandwiches and pasta and cous cous etc. Thankfully the do tend to know what they can and can't eat though I had to have a word because the after school club gave them rice krispie cakes to eat and insisted that they could have them when my boys said no. So obviously the boys had them and quelle suprise were ill.
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I've found thus thread really informative. Could I ask two things:
a) should this apply in the same way in nurseries (as younger children might not yet self-police effectively)?
b) what is the view on rules about items banned from being brought in for junk modelling? (Our school insisted on checking ingredients labels on empty boxes)
I'm not qualified to say much about your OP apart from that it's very well put, food for thought (excuse the pun) and that I understand where you're coming from.
I've seen it from the other side. A family member's DC is severely allergic to tree nuts. When the DC was about to move up to secondary school her mum put up a HUGE fight with the LA, involving lawyers, going to an appeals tribunal against the allocated school offer (though not just about the nut issue, I know that mum was against the DC going to this poorly performing school though she of course didn't make this arguement to the appeals panel). She refused to send her DD to the allocated school as it couldn't guarantee that it was nut free and fought to send the child to another, over subscribed school which claimed to be nut free.
Along with her views on the allocated school she really did think that her child would be as safe as possible in her preferred choice. Going on that I think that there are parents who would argue against your POV and schools too. Whether they are right or not, I can't say - having read your OP I suspect not.
A ban on any kind of healthy food is ridiculous in my view. The school should be informed by the parents that the child is allergic to so-and-so and then the school should keep that child supervised at meal times (without helicoptering the child and making them feel awkward).
DD used to go to nursery (she's 2yrs) and I regularly took a snack with me when I picked he up. I never gave it to her until we were outside because at that age kids steal food from each others hands at times so allergies worried me. But as they get older things are more manageable.
I'd never dream of blaming parents though, it's health an safety once again taken to extremes by the authorities.
Our school has a nut ban, and because one of the teachers is allergic, the ban is enforced quite heavily. I would have though she would have your knowledge and be in a position to challange the ban, but no such luck!
Agree with you babybarrister
What gets me is whenever there is a thread on here about nut policy, there is usually hundreds of posts from parents saying YABU because the child might die!!!!!!, but they have no idea about allergies themselves, but all the posts from parents with experience of allergies say that they don't want nut bans.
DH and DS both have nut/seed allergies and DS has managed to get through both junior and now in yr11 without either school having a nut ban.
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