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being exposed at, by men? in new job.

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altinkum Fri 07-Oct-11 22:05:39

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worraliberty Fri 07-Oct-11 22:08:07

Don't you put yellow cones across the door to let them know you're in there?

aldiwhore Fri 07-Oct-11 22:09:41

I thwunk a yellow cone somewhere...

OP YANBU to expect some kind of courtesy/protection.. if signs are in place whilst you're cleaning, then its totally out of order.

I don't know exact rules, legalities, but I strongly suspect that its not actually part of your job requirement to put up with seeing any genitalia.

hiddenhome Fri 07-Oct-11 22:11:29

It wouldn't bother me tbh, but I'm a nurse and used to seeing these things. It's just another part of the body (only less pretty) as far as I'm concerned.

dementedma Fri 07-Oct-11 22:11:52

stare pointedly and say "would you mind putting that away until I have finished here?"
Threaten to report offenders for sexual harrassment,
Make sure staff know allocated time for loo cleaning and that the loo is out of bounds for that period.

altinkum Fri 07-Oct-11 22:12:19

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rhondajean Fri 07-Oct-11 22:13:08

They arent coming in to flash at you, they are coming in to pee.

Its not right and they are probably as embarassed as you when they see you (at least some of them) but its not sexual.

Your company should have a policy on this - and it might well be based around the dignity of the men as well as the staff. If a cleaner of the opposite sex is in toilets, they are usually closed arent they? As supervisor dont you have the power to do that?

But stop being so emotional about it, it wont help your case when you talk it over at the meeting; it sounds from the way you phrased your OP that you may have been attacked at some point in the past, making this even less savoury for you to deal with?

BatsUpMeNightie Fri 07-Oct-11 22:13:44

Point and laugh. That should stop it stone dead!

squeakytoy Fri 07-Oct-11 22:14:14

cant you time it so you are not in the vicinity of the mens room when you know they are about to change shift?

mosschops30 Fri 07-Oct-11 22:15:01

Lol at you putting TWAT in [] just in case there is a twat emoticon

<wonders what that would look like>

AgentZigzag Fri 07-Oct-11 22:17:13

I'm not sure what I think.

I can understand them presuming it's OK to get ready to use the urinals, but as a job, it would be unacceptable for it to happen if it's upsetting you.

I've seen signs in toilets saying something like 'these facilities are cleaned by men and women', could you suggest something similar to give the blokes some warning?

What would bother me is the manager trying to minimise how you feel.

Any idea why they'd do that?

How do the men react when they see you're there?

troisgarcons Fri 07-Oct-11 22:17:58

I'd laugh and point

altinkum Fri 07-Oct-11 22:18:56

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AgentZigzag Fri 07-Oct-11 22:19:42

X-posts, I don't agree with it being sexual harassment demented, as there's no sexual element to their behaviour.

onagar Fri 07-Oct-11 22:21:00

You may expect the management to make some arrangement so you are cleaning when the room is not in use.

You can't however blame men for using the urinals in the men's toilets.

squeakytoy Fri 07-Oct-11 22:21:13

how is it sexual harrassment anyway, they arent waggling their cocks in her face saying "have a look at this".. they are going for a pee.. confused.. in the mens toilets, which is where they are supposed to pee..

altinkum Fri 07-Oct-11 22:23:04

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rhondajean Fri 07-Oct-11 22:23:22

You did link it in to sex in your first post which means you are making some sort of link whether you realise it or not.

It shouldnt be happening basically but if you want it sorted in that type of environment you will need to be unemotional; I realise on here you can let out the steam but for your own sake dont do it in RL (at work).

Ask for your companies policies; check if they have anything about dignity for staff or clients; and if you need more comprehensive advice, phone the ACAS helpline who can tell you your rights in confidence, you will find it if you Google.

niceguy2 Fri 07-Oct-11 22:23:25

Have you tried putting the signs out then blocking the door with the trolley? Ie. put it directly in the path so they'd have to move it. Failing that, put it on the inside so its hard for them to open and that should be a sufficient jolt that someone is on the inside cleaning their piss stains!

emsyj Fri 07-Oct-11 22:24:30

What's the solution then? If you're there over shift change and the men need to use the facilities when you're working in there, what can be done to solve the problem?

If you can think of the solution, you can then present it to whoever is in charge and say, 'this is the problem, and this is what needs to happen'. But at the moment you seem to be complaining about something and at the same time suggesting it is inevitable.

onagar Fri 07-Oct-11 22:26:35

Maybe they should employ a man to clean the men's toilets.

squeakytoy Fri 07-Oct-11 22:29:21

your whole job is not solely cleaning the mens toilets is it? so work your job around it, and clean the area straight after the shift change when it will be at its most quiet..

altinkum Fri 07-Oct-11 22:29:34

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FearTricksPotter Fri 07-Oct-11 22:31:28

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onagar Fri 07-Oct-11 22:31:58

You want the men sacked? All of them?

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