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David Attenborough joins the campaign against creationism in schools.

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Peanutbuttertuesday Tue 20-Sep-11 17:27:24

I've posted before about the issue of religion being taught as fact in schools before. I'd be interested to hear what everyone has to say about this.

StrandedBear Tue 20-Sep-11 17:29:00

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MiseryBusiness Tue 20-Sep-11 17:30:27

I agree Creationism isn't fact


TheVermiciousKnid Tue 20-Sep-11 17:30:37

Excellent. smile

sue52 Tue 20-Sep-11 17:32:13

Good for him. Keep this madness out of our schools.

DontCallMeFrothyDragon Tue 20-Sep-11 17:32:18

I agree! smile

Peanutbuttertuesday Tue 20-Sep-11 17:33:12

I agree smile i love the fact that DS has the opportunity to explore different faiths, but it seems totally inexplicable to me that religion is taught as fact... in a state school!

bumbleymummy Tue 20-Sep-11 17:44:41

How exactly is creation taught as fact? Do they teach it in a science lesson? Ours was confined to RE and we studied evolution in Science class and I went to a Catholic school.

Peanutbuttertuesday Tue 20-Sep-11 17:50:04

Well my DS is 5, so he doesn't exactly get formal science lessons, but he seems to be bombarded with the message that there is no doubt God exists every day. They offer it to him without any explanation that it is a belief and it's ok to not think that.
They also give really pithy answers to his questions, for example, he asked why people speak different languages and was told that God gave people different languages to make them more interesting. I was gobsmacked!

scaevola Tue 20-Sep-11 17:53:32

The link says they are campaigning against the "threat" - is this a bogeyman? Are there any schools which do teach this in the UK? How many?

AliGrylls Tue 20-Sep-11 18:04:36

Why shouldn't it be discussed? I don't think it should be banned - I don't really know what the problem is with teaching it as a small part of a much bigger picture, which would include teaching evolution.

I understand that creationism has been scientifically proven to not be the case but if scientists are so convinced they are right what is the problem with talking about it in the context of its' religious roots.

ThePosieParker Tue 20-Sep-11 18:07:50

It's going to be discussed in science, not RE...that's the problem.

MillyR Tue 20-Sep-11 18:08:31

I suppose it depends what people mean by teaching evolution in primary schools. What exactly do they want to teach about it? Many aspects of it are already taught; the aspects that aren't taught are perhaps not covered because they are a bit too complicated for the age group?

ThePosieParker Tue 20-Sep-11 18:09:10

The Big Bang? maybe

MillyR Tue 20-Sep-11 18:09:47

The big bang has nothing to do with evolution.

maypole1 Tue 20-Sep-11 18:10:41

if my son was taught that lesson he would be removed from the school .

any school that teaches god as fact are loopy and not to be trusted with anyone let alone children

as always parents will vote with their feet

TheVermiciousKnid Tue 20-Sep-11 18:13:20

I think the concern is particularly about new faith-based 'free schools'. Fair enough if creationism is talked about in RE, but it should not be presented as an alternative to evolution in a science lesson.

Goodynuff Tue 20-Sep-11 18:14:36

What if they were teaching kids that ghosts were real in science class? Or telekineses? Some people believe it.
Creationism, if mentioned at all, should be in a religon class, not science (or geography, etc)
At times like these I am glad we have seperation of church and state where I live.

PeggyCarter Tue 20-Sep-11 18:16:49

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MillyR Tue 20-Sep-11 18:17:25

I think the issue was that there was one particular science curriculum (might have been a particular GCSE that was more based on teaching Science in society rather than Science. This looked at the debate over evolution and creationism within science lessons.

Obviously what should be studied in Science lessons is science and debates within science.

NorfolkNChance Tue 20-Sep-11 18:18:04

I completely agree.

I am also an RE teacher. I teach creationism alongside evolution, Richard Dawkins etc. as one of many viewpoints.

MillyR Tue 20-Sep-11 18:18:31

Sorry, that was a bit unclear. I mean that was an issue in mainstream state schools. I'm not saying there aren't other additional issues in free schools.

aliceliddell Tue 20-Sep-11 18:23:07

If a Creationist like Varney (?) owner of Stagecoach takes over your local comp and turns it into an Academy then he can (and has) teach creationism as fact and there is very little you can do about it. Tough if there's no other school. Not sure if the Varney school situation is still the case.
Maybe Brian Cox could be persuaded to go round talking about why the earth is probably not flat. (On second thoughts, does he need to talk?)

Peanutbuttertuesday Tue 20-Sep-11 18:29:10

Aliceliddell, i agree about Brian Cox, i think i'd have to drop in to assembly if he did that at DS's school!
Thats another thing, is it really fair that children are being placed into a religious state school, regardless of faith, just because it's the nearest? Not everyone has a choice about where their kids go.

PeggyCarter Tue 20-Sep-11 18:32:08

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