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to ask does DM hate working parents

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AuntiePickleBottom Mon 12-Sep-11 22:43:20

now i have read it all, once a child is settled the nursery worker will not be strangers

aldiwhore Mon 12-Sep-11 22:46:54

Read the first sentence and the stress caused by fucking anger has probably upped my chances of all sorts of things!! Grrrrrrrr

PuspornInBoots Mon 12-Sep-11 22:47:49

The DM hates everybody, often in the same issue there will be two articles with diametrically opposing views...

AnnieLobeseder Mon 12-Sep-11 22:50:23

I see PuspornInBoots has beaten me to it. The DM hates everyone but rich retired married heterosexual WASPs!!

SybilBeddows Mon 12-Sep-11 22:51:09

it hates working mothers, I don't think it has any objection to working fathers. (Presumable in DM Land childcare is no concern of the fathers.)

DrCoconut Mon 12-Sep-11 22:51:21

This article really pissed me off today. I am anon who posted on it. I'm really struggling to come to terms with having to go back to work and having the guilt shovelled on does not help. The DM seems to think that if we give up the Jimmy Choos, fire the au pair and sell the Tuscan villa we'll all be able to afford to stay at home! How the other half live hey? I think the official line is that only those with a loaded DH who can and will support them should have children otherwise they are evil working mums or lazy dole spongers depending on how they get their money.

Minus273 Mon 12-Sep-11 22:52:17

Either you are a scrounger or you are sentencing your child to a life of hell.

Tommy Mon 12-Sep-11 22:52:32

why do you care what the DM thinks?
it is a load of s* parading as a newspaper - just ignore it

splashymcsplash Mon 12-Sep-11 22:53:59

YABU reading the DM

Everything in it needs to be taken with rather a large pinch of salt.

Iggi999 Mon 12-Sep-11 22:56:28

I wonder do stress levels rise in children who are put into primary school? But if they do, who is going to say we should keep them home from school too? (Then we'd turn into the layabout, no-hoper section of society also hated by dm!)

tethersend Mon 12-Sep-11 22:56:50

"‘The uncomfortable question remains: which is better for a young child during weekdays – the biological mother or a paid carer at an institution?’ "

...Or, err, the father...?

AuntiePickleBottom Mon 12-Sep-11 22:58:26

or in my case MIL and my 2 year old also 'shock' 'horror' goes to nursery in the afternoon.

edam Mon 12-Sep-11 23:00:56

I do like the very sensible comment from Dr Derbyshire, that raised levels of cortisol may reflect greater physical activity, not just stress. Just shows how hysterical the first researcher's claims are.

In order for this to be a public health crisis, you'd need to show that raised cortisol levels are a problem, and not just reflecting something like Dr Derbyshire suggests, that they are maintained over time and not just short-term and insignificant (while a child adjusts to a new situation), that children who are not in day care do not have raised cortisol levels as well (presumably all sorts of things may influence cortisol levels and some of those things may be encountered by children anyway) and that, even after establishing all those things, that there is a clear link (or at least a clear theoretical link that should be investigated) to ill-health later in life. Has anyone done any studies on the welfare of people who were in nurseries as babies 20, 30, 40 years ago? And not just the Romanian orphanage neglect stuff but your average nursery comparable to the kind parents today in the UK will be using?

aldiwhore Mon 12-Sep-11 23:03:13

I'm a SAHM, who's youngest goes to pre-school in the mornings, surely \I must be THE MOST HATED??? Meh.

Smellslikecatpee Mon 12-Sep-11 23:08:42

They hate every-bloody-one

Working mothers; how dare you have children and expect someone else to look after them, selfish bitches [no mind that you need to work to keep a roof over your DC's heads]

SAHM selfish bitches how dare you not contribute to society [never mind that you’re raising your children]

Young Mothers how dare have your children young you should be out earning a wage, getting a foot up on the career ladder

Older mothers how dare you have a life/work on your career/ wait for the right partner before you have a child, selfish bitches

Single Mother; well let’s be honest here does matter how you’ve ended up been a LP, death, divorce, domestic violence, at the end of the day it’s all YOUR fault selfish selfish selfish bitch, how dare you allow your partner to die; walk out on you; beat you up and you not accept it.

Actually they really just hate women. .

griphook Mon 12-Sep-11 23:09:02

the dm hates mum's in general. Working mum's come near the top of it's hate list, but god forbid if your a single mum, you're way out ahead.

Minus273 Mon 12-Sep-11 23:11:41

That attitude towards single mothers is not just the DM but a sizeable proportion of the population. Single fathers on the other hand are apparently heroes angry

poppyknot Mon 12-Sep-11 23:12:46

This was posted on twitter after item on Radio 4 Today programme - 'expert' is Arig Seigman

pozzled Mon 12-Sep-11 23:14:51

I especially loved the way it was all about women's rights and women returning to work because they want to pursue a career.

Of course in DM land no mothers have to work to pay the bills.

Hatesponge Mon 12-Sep-11 23:17:36

Be a father who does something with his child - you're a hero

A mother doing the same - you're just doing your job hmm

Hate hate hate the Daily Mail. Only read the celeb-y bits online and might even have to give up those because every bloody article just goes on about how fat or thin certain WOMEN are. Never men. angry

The only thing worse than the articles are some of the comments...

DrCoconut Mon 12-Sep-11 23:17:41

I was a single working mum, the ultimate DM hate figure? I may have got a few extra points for being an immigrant though so maybe not quite ultimate.

AnnieLobeseder Mon 12-Sep-11 23:18:52

aldiwhore - only if you're also an immigrant lesbian on benefits.

Flowerista Mon 12-Sep-11 23:20:03

Flowerista age 44 said outside her luxury £750,000 (exaggerating, not stealth boasting) 4 bedroom house that the Daily Mail hates everyone. At various times in my life I have felt as though they are targeting articles at me, and their stupid female columnists dont help. Yes Jan Moir I'm looking at you.

I read it now when I'm having a coffee to test the predicatabilty of the readers comments, particularly the hysterical hatred of VB or outrage at the prices on the fashion pages.

Smellslikecatpee Mon 12-Sep-11 23:20:27

Did I forget anyone?

Oh yes women without children, we’re all either meant to be at home sobbing over our lack of fertility or hard faced unnatural bitches.

SnapesMistress Mon 12-Sep-11 23:43:32

You do know that its probable the DM writes such stuff precisely so that people like us will link to it and talk about how awful it is. The DM has the most webtraffic of any newspaper website I think. This gives it a metric fuckton of money from advertisers.

In short YABU to link to the DM, or even to go on it. Ignore ignore ignore.

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