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to think MNHQ should not be deleting posts in this way? WARNING: Ranty

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doublestandard Sat 10-Sep-11 15:39:08

So, having a post deleted is a MN rite of passage and all that, but I think MNHQ have got a bit trigger happy with the delete button of late but not in a good way. And yes this is a bit thread about a thread but I think it's a general problem and worth discussing.

As an example, I have recently had a post from AIBU deleted because I said the manner in which a poster had disregarded others opinions was "flaming arrogant" and that "You have come across on this thread as a self-important, judgey know-it-all". Apparently this constitutes a personal attack?? Since when have we not been allowed to say that a specific post on a thread suggests arrogance? Or that a poster is coming across in a certain way? It is not saying the poster is arrogant or a self-important, judgey know-it-all but that is how they are being perceived.

Now ordinarily I'd shrug this off but I'm seeing more and more posters crying "personal attack!" when disagreed with and then having posts that seem to me to be quite reasonable deleted. I am also baffled that MNHQ have decided that it is not a personal attack to leave up comments by another poster stating that I condone child abuse (I mean what the actual fuck?!) when I have said nothing of the kind and because my post above is deleted people can't make up their own minds. Either delete both or delete neither surely?

I think most people on MN employ an attack the posts, not the poster as a rule. Yes, it is a bit more blunt on AIBU than relationships or behaviour and development for example, and I think that's right, but I find the nannying attitude and selective decisions not to be in the spirit of MN.

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I have namechanged because I don't want to draw any more attention to the thread where MNHQ sees fit to allow a post to stand that falsely states I support the abuse of children. I suspect a few people may recognise me and/or the thread so I'd prefer not to be outed thanks.

In the interests of fairness there was another part of my post that MNHQ felt could be interpreted as "giving the finger". It was actually nothing of the kind - it was a reference to being part of a particular organisation and then a flounce - but I can see how someone might have interpreted it as that even if I don't agree. Fair enough to decide to take it down, but why leave up a libellous post stating a poster condones child abuse when the orginal post is not there to be judged? confused

I have raised this with MNHQ and the second paragraph draws on their email response.

<<<Awaits a load of posters to pitch up and call her arrogant grin>>>

GypsyMoth Sat 10-Sep-11 15:42:42

Link?

pigletmania Sat 10-Sep-11 15:47:01

YANBU I have noticed that MNHQ has been deleting quite a lot recently

doublestandard Sat 10-Sep-11 15:47:42

No link for reason given. If both posts aren't there to judge it's not fair.

HecateQueenOfWitches Sat 10-Sep-11 15:52:19

I agree. If we can't say what we think about a post, then what's the point?They should actually READ a post before deleting it - I don't think they do a lot of the time and that's wrong.

A personal attack is saying that someone is a bitch, a cow or wishing horrible things on them. If they've decided that we are too delicate to cope with that, then fair enough. (I disagree, but never mind) Delete it and let's all be 5 and play 'takebacks' and pretend it was never said.

But we are slowly slipping into Must Agree At All Times territory and that's a bad thing. Next they'll be deleting you if you disagree with an opinion. Saying you think someone's talking rubbish will be a personal attack. How can you have a discussion board if you can't discuss, you can only agree? If you have to spend 20 minutes ensuring you have worded your post so correctly that it cannot possibly be interpreted as a criticism in any way, shape or form, then what's the point?

I really really really think MNHQ need to sit down and think this through. They are losing what made mumsnet - mumsnet.

There are loads of fluffy bunny let's all be sweet to each other's faces and bitch in pm sites around for those who want them. What made mn different is that you can disagree. You can argue. You can say actually, I think that's a load of bollocks.

I really wouldn't want to lose that, but I can see it going that way.

doublestandard Sat 10-Sep-11 15:52:23

Thanks piglet feel a bit better it's not just me! I was shock when I got the reply from MNHQ.

If we can't tell it how it is what's the point of MN?

Georgimama Sat 10-Sep-11 15:52:37

MNHQ are very trigger happy with the delete button of late. Too much so.

doublestandard Sat 10-Sep-11 15:54:23

x-posted with Hecate who has said it so well.

<<<clutches vipers to bosom>>>

Georgimama Sat 10-Sep-11 15:57:35

Hecate is right (TM).

doublestandard Sat 10-Sep-11 15:59:10

grin Georgimama.

HoneyPablo Sat 10-Sep-11 15:59:20

I have issues with all the trigger-happy deleting at the moment. I think MN is far, too moderated.
I think all it needs to get a post deleted is someone hitting the report button and the post gets deleted, whether it warrants it or not.
I would like to see a quote facility, where we could quote posts. That way it would be much harder for posts to be deleted. But, they are not going to do that, are they?
I wonder if they are worried about being sued, or held liable in some way.

HecateQueenOfWitches Sat 10-Sep-11 15:59:54

<comes up for air>

Actually, thinking about it, I wonder if could possibly be a business decision?

MN gets its income from advertisers. Perhaps they are dictating the style of the site starting to exert a certain pressure? The big companies want to associate with a certain image, iyswim.

Probably not grin I am cynical to the point of insanity wink

<drives back into doublestandard's warm & comfy bosom>

FredBare Sat 10-Sep-11 16:00:30

i find it hilarious that you are allowed to use the foulest language - ok, each to their own - but by the same token you arent allowed to say your opinion is different to the masses on certain topics. Surely we are all adults, we can cope with a bit of free speech. On the other hand though, lots of these trendy wendy liberals bleat about free speech (as long as its their free speech and doesnt go against their opinion)

LOL Hilarious!

piratecat Sat 10-Sep-11 16:00:34

i haven't seen the threads you all seem to know of. Yet is do feel that the mumsnet mindset is getting a bit like a massive shoal of fish, whereby you ALL have to go one way, together and you are not allowed to deviate.

boring.

Tee2072 Sat 10-Sep-11 16:00:45

Hecate is, as always, right.

Any response, MNHQ?

Georgimama Sat 10-Sep-11 16:01:32

Yes, I have seen MNHQ come on threads and pretty much say that if a post has offended/upset someone then it gets deleted. There doesn't seem to be any consideration of whether the comments that have been deleted were in fact deserved. I was reported and deleted for quoting the OP back at them - it was the along the lines of "ludicrous wedding scenario blah blah blah, am I being unreasonable and a precious silly cow?" and I replied "yes YABU and a precious silly cow". I got deleted.

FredBare Sat 10-Sep-11 16:01:33

The big companies want to associate with a certain image, iyswim.

if thats the case, why allow the foulest of language - that isnt cultivating a nice image is it

Georgimama Sat 10-Sep-11 16:02:06

Hecate is right again.

FabbyChic Sat 10-Sep-11 16:03:38

It gets pulled if reported. Some people have trigger fingers

FredBare Sat 10-Sep-11 16:03:39

Yes, I have seen MNHQ come on threads and pretty much say that if a post has offended/upset someone then it gets deleted

blimey, i would be reporting all day long, if i could be arsed

but then i am tolerant that other people have different opinions - they might be completely ludicrous but thats their opinion LOL

HecateQueenOfWitches Sat 10-Sep-11 16:03:51

Give them time, Fred. They are already editing thread titles to remove obscenities - something that never used to happen (many a thread complaining about this!) I predict that language inside threads will also be addressed shortly.

Not that I care about that, I find bad language shows a lack of imagination <sniff> wink

Georgimama Sat 10-Sep-11 16:05:03

Not that I care about that, I find bad language shows a lack of imagination

Too fucking right Hecate.

AlpinePony Sat 10-Sep-11 16:05:12

Yanbu at all, particularly in your salient point that wicked accusations against you are upheld.

I have no idea what goes on at trigger happy hq. I got stuff deleted the other week for pointing out that a well-known mner was 'fudging the facts'. Indeed, what the actual fuck?

piratecat Sat 10-Sep-11 16:05:16

we're falling prey to the money makers sad

doublestandard Sat 10-Sep-11 16:07:29

YY "There doesn't seem to be any consideration of whether the comments that have been deleted were in fact deserved. I was reported and deleted for quoting the OP back at them - it was the along the lines of "ludicrous wedding scenario blah blah blah, am I being unreasonable and a precious silly cow?" and I replied "yes YABU and a precious silly cow". I got deleted." that's the sort of thing exactly.

I was all set to be told I was just sour grapes about my post but now I feel much better. Probably mainly the result of having Hecate nestled in my bosom grin

Incidentally I told MNHQ it upset me to be associated with child abuse (after politely asking for my post to be reinstated or for the false comments attributed to me to be removed). They told me to respond on the thread. Which is not very fair when my original post is deleted. There are always the "no smoke without fire types".

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