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To complain about this prayer house?

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Chocolocolate Fri 26-Aug-11 22:41:14

There is a house at the end of our road, that seems to have been converted into some sort of Islamic prayer house (forgive my religious ignorance).

We drive home from work and past it around 10.15pm every evening and there are lots of men inside and arriving, all in religious dress and appear, from what you can see through the obscured glass window, to be praying.

The problem that we have is that all of the visitors park there cars (most of which seem to be large BMW-type cars) right next to the house and really crowd the road. They park on either side of an already narrow road making it really difficult to get our car through.

Anyone pulling out of our street couldn't see either direction and it's very difficult to squeeze our car through the cars and down our street.

There is ample parking around the residential area so if the visitors were willing to park a little further away there would be no problem.

WIBU to complain? If so, who to? The prayer house, the police he council?

Atwaroverscrabble Fri 26-Aug-11 22:44:50

If its causing an obstruction complain...if its urgent then to the police, otherwise to the council or perhaps go and speak with the owners of the property and explain your concerna, they can then tell their members...

I think any property used for gatherings like this needs permission from the council and ours recently closed one down for failing to apply properly etc....

AgentZigzag Fri 26-Aug-11 22:46:04

I suppose if it were me I'd probably go and talk to whoevers house it is about the parking, see what they say?

ThePosieParker Fri 26-Aug-11 22:46:09

You could politely request that they have consideration for residents.
TBH I'm not sure if a 'change of usage' law may be useful too, they would need necessary public liability insurance too, maybe. Talk to the council.

nailak Fri 26-Aug-11 22:46:36

i would go to the prayer house and tell them your difficulty and have them request that their patrons park elsewhere,

also it will only be happening for another few days, it seems that this is a seasonal thing, open in the month of ramadhan for muslim men to offer their taraweeh prayers.

Chocolocolate Fri 26-Aug-11 22:57:56

Oooo, I thought you might say I should go talk to the house owners. I'm a bit of a chicken and worried about a confrontation.

Also, there's not a door I can knock on. There used to be, but it has been changed into an obscure glass window.

All of the visiting men go through a gate in the tall fence at the back.

I don't want to get them shut down or anything - just would prefer not to have the stress of maneuvering through tight gaps between expensive cars every evening.

ThePosieParker Fri 26-Aug-11 23:09:48

Pop a note through the door? Or on the cars?

magicmummy1 Fri 26-Aug-11 23:58:22

Might be just for Ramadan, in which case, it'll all be over in a week or so. smile

Spartak Sat 27-Aug-11 00:14:44

I'd phone the local council and ask to speak to the enforcement officer in the Planning Department. There might be a direct number on their website to call.

It sounds as if its an unauthorised change of use, and the Planning Department should have the necessary powers to help. It would assist them if you tell them if the problem is worse at a specific time of the day and on certain days of the week.

Your details should be kept anonymous, and you may find that other people have already complained to the Council.

ChairOfTheBored Sat 27-Aug-11 08:01:33

I'd go an speak to them, before I went to the council to be honest. I know it's a pain when people park next to junctions, especially if there's is room elsewhere. But well, they're praying. It's not a crack den or something. If you ask them politely the worst that can happen is that they ignore you, the best, that they didn't realise, and mend their ways.

And I agree, this may well only be until the end of Ramadam (31 August I think)

Iggi999 Sat 27-Aug-11 10:27:39

People pray more during Ramadan, so maybe a sort of overflow mosque was needed? But if it's a permanent set-up you'd like to know.

eurochick Sat 27-Aug-11 10:32:28

We had this where I used to live - what was supposed to be a community centre was actually operating as a mosque and the parking at prayer times was horrific (and the noise of the call to prayer used to annoy those who lived very close by). I didn't bother to complain because neighbours told me there had already been many requests to the council to do something about it but nothing ever been done.

solidgoldbrass Sat 27-Aug-11 10:38:45

It doesn't matter whether they are praying, having an orgy or discussing stamp-collecting, they are causing a parking obstruction so get in touch with the local council and concentrate on the parking issue.

PonceyMcPonce Sat 27-Aug-11 10:45:25

I love the term overflow mosque!

Regardless of reason, vehicles, including emergency vehicles need access surely? But it does not sound easy to approach them directly if all gated and chained.

ThePosieParker Sat 27-Aug-11 10:47:28

I agree with SGB, concentrate on the parking issue.

TigerseyeMum Sat 27-Aug-11 11:07:37

We have this problem a lot here but the council tends to turn a blind eye. We live in a very traffic-jammed town and cars park all over the place for places of worship.

A client of mine told me of one run-in he had with a local community church, he couldn't get by on his bicycle so in exasperation he said 'Look, you're parking all over the road!' to which the response was 'Fuck You!' He was so outraged he ranted at them saying, 'Oh is that your church then, the Church of Fuck You?!' grin It's not funny but it did make me chortle a bit.

My point being, just because it is a religious community don't expect them to act reasonably and considerately. If they were considerate they would not park causing an obstruction. Take it to the council, make a complaint, but don't expect much by way of action.

applepies Sat 27-Aug-11 11:54:53

leave it a week to see if its still a problem after ramadan

IF (as it seems from your OP) they are parking legally then I am not sure what or why you would be complaining about them - it almost makes the thread seem like a stealth racist post. You would need to take it up with the council and convince them that there was a real need for them to pay to put extra double yellow lines down

If they are parking illegally after tnext week then you shouold talk to them about what the mosques all do in my town which is put traffic cones out on the double yellow lines near the mosque to prevent congestion

ThePosieParker Sat 27-Aug-11 11:57:45

Legally doesn't mean considerately. Bloody daft talking about racism. And parking near junctions is not legal.

ThePosieParker Sat 27-Aug-11 11:59:17

You should park 10ft away from a junction.

gorionine Sat 27-Aug-11 12:05:19

I was going to say like Applepies.

In the particular mosque I visit, there is not a single big event at the mosque (Friday prayer/Eid/Tarawih(evening prayers during Ramadan) Where the Iman does not insist on the importance of respecting the mosque's neighbours and be considerate in the way people park and get out from the mosque's car park onto the main road. I think it is ok for you to have a word with the person/people in charge of the mosque to solve the problem amicably.

Andrewofgg Sat 27-Aug-11 12:07:24

Some councils are too terrified of the racist card to do what they should. I know of a mosque now under construction with planning consent for an underground car park for when they host events. It has been build twelve feet higher than permitted and part of the car park has been built as a store room instead - so there will be more on-street parking. And the council have done damn-all about it.

Andrewofgg Sat 27-Aug-11 12:08:04

built not build, bugger it!

worraliberty Sat 27-Aug-11 12:10:21

I'd have a word with the council if it's causing that much of a problem.

They may be in breech of some sort of planning rules and regs.

Does it disturb/annoy anyone else in the street?

gorionine Sat 27-Aug-11 12:18:21

That is very sad for me to hear Andrewwofog as it obviously gives a bad image to the people practicing my faith but IME most mosque's officials are very keen on having good relationships with the wider community, not only the Muslim one, and will try to change things once they are aware causes a disturbance.

As an example of involvment into the wider community , throughout the summer our mosque holds charity raising fund events for a lot of neighbouring institutions (non muslim) who have no grounds and cannot hold them on their premises. It is always a joy, and a pride I must say, for me to see the wide mix of people those event attract.

Corvax Sat 27-Aug-11 12:19:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

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