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to not want a teenage boy telling me abortion is a sin and should never be legalised?!

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ThisMomentusDay Sun 10-Jul-11 09:47:09

I never really know how to feel about abortion, i don't think i could ever have one but thankfully i've never been in a position to have to consider this so it's a very easy thing to say isn't it?
As such i'm very much sitting on the 'pro-choice' fence!
It's such a personal choice for a woman and not usually one taken lightly.

Yesterday on the street there was a stall set up with a petition to the Taoiseach (PM) to not have any sort of a referendum on legalising abortion in Ireland. Fair enough i thought, freedom of speech, right to protest etc.
Untill i was passing and a teenage boy below the voting age (and possibly the age of consent) tries to hand me the leaflets. I looked across the street and on the 4 corners of this junction there are teenage boys handing anti-abortion leaflets out to (mainly) women!

It really annoyed me, (especially as it was very obviously a catholic group and i think the church has done enough damage to the state and should stay the hell out of politics) but i just refused the leaflets and kept walking.

AIBU to have thought 'what the hell has it got to do with you?'

oila Sun 10-Jul-11 09:49:50

YABU, teenage boys have as much right to protest and lobby for the causes they support as anybody else does.

Goblinchild Sun 10-Jul-11 09:51:46

Ask them if they ever plan on having sex, and what contraception they will be using that is acceptable to the catholic church. Insist on a detailed answer.

purepurple Sun 10-Jul-11 09:52:36

YABU for the reasons oila gives.

cookielove Sun 10-Jul-11 09:52:41

Was going to post what oila said but she got there first, so yes YABU

AlabamaWorley Sun 10-Jul-11 10:00:43


As if they are fully informed?!?! I am all for people (including teenagers) having opinions and for lobbying for causes they support - so they should. That is much better than kids taking drugs and getting into trouble.

However, I have issues with those that jump on bandwagons because they haven't heard/researched/been informed of the other side. And i just cannot believe that 14 year old boys have enough life experience to have a valid opinion on abortion. Ridiculous!

catgirl1976 Sun 10-Jul-11 10:08:24

YANBU. Yes they have a right to free speech and to peaceful protest - (although to my mind there is something distinctly unpeaceful about forcing leaflets often showing deliberatly distressing images of aborted fetuses to women who may have had a miscarriage or abortion) - but you are not BU to be annoyed by their views or by the fact they are MALE and 14 and unlikely to have been in a situation where they have ever needed to consider abortion in anything more than a hypothetical situaiton.

handsomeharry Sun 10-Jul-11 10:10:29


fernier Sun 10-Jul-11 10:10:53

Yabu to think they can't voice their opinions plenty of people are anti abortion for many reasons. Yanbu to avoid them refuse their leaflet as im sure was possible.

MistressFrankly Sun 10-Jul-11 10:12:01

what the hell has it got to do with you

Its called having an opinion. It may not be the same as yours but they are entitiled to it. I for one am pleased that kids were motivated to get off their arses and protest.

Just because they are young and male does not mean they cannot have feelings on the subject of abortion. It is a highly emotive subject and it is their democratic right to protest.

Would you have been annoyed if it was young girls handing out leaflets?

Whilst it maybe the woman who physically has the abortion men are also affected the decision abort or not.

As for life experience, by 14 i had already formed the moral stance to which i have governed my life. Yes it has been tempered by life experience but to say that a 14 yr olds opinion is irrelevant as they are too young is patronising.

At 14 unfortunatly some have already had to deal with the issue of abortion, or have been around friends who have.

itisnearlysummer Sun 10-Jul-11 10:12:12

YANBU. Most teenagers get involved in one issue or another. But abortion isn't really on the same continuum as animal testing, for example.

fernier Sun 10-Jul-11 10:13:35

I would think abortion was exactly the same level as animal testing actually?

DuelingFanjo Sun 10-Jul-11 10:14:45

ok, so you may be being unreasonable because they have a right to protest/campaign ...but...

bet you if you had tried to engage them in a conversation about it they wouldn't have had the skills to reasonably debate the issue with you.

spiderpig8 Sun 10-Jul-11 10:15:41

Why don't teenage boys have teh right to stand up for their beliefs ?
I can'r see age has any bearing on the desire to protect unborn lives if that is what they believe in.

OTheHugeManatee Sun 10-Jul-11 10:16:04

What goblinchild said. It's a golden opportunity to educate some young men on doing their bit to make sure fewer women are ever confronted with that horrific choice.

MistressFrankly Sun 10-Jul-11 10:16:06

Eeek forgive the typos - was being attacked by small child weilding a rubber fish smile

catgirl1976 Sun 10-Jul-11 10:16:57

Given the teenage boys in question were part of a catholic group, how likely is is that they have been exposed to a fair and frank discussion on the subject and been given access to information on both sides of the debate? Not very I image.

They are still entitiled to the views foisted upon them by the catholic church their views and to protest or give out leaflets. But the OP is entitled not to be comfortable with it.

HelloKlitty Sun 10-Jul-11 10:17:33

I am pro-choice...but YABU to think a teenage boy can't protest.

DilysPrice Sun 10-Jul-11 10:20:50

YABU -I agree with goblinchild, if you strongly disagree with their stance (as do I) then confront them and ask how they will live their principles in their own lives (feel free to start with the Catholic Church's stance on masturbation if you feel vindictive).

I have moral views on lots of things that are "none of my business" - FGM leaps to mind.

EricNorthmansMistressOfPotions Sun 10-Jul-11 10:22:37

Well YANBU not to want a teenage boy's opinion o abortion, or to consider it ill-informed.

Something that really stuck with me once was a TV discussion programme with a young man on the panel, a member of 'catholic youth league' or something like that, and a comment he made, regarding abortion for rape victims, was that allowing rape victims to terminate a pregnancy was like raping them again. It highlighted just exactly how much he misunderstood the idea of consent and bodily autonomy. I think it's very hard for most men to comprehend the reality of terminating a pregnancy, and inexperienced teenage men even more so.

BelleDameSansMerci Sun 10-Jul-11 10:24:58

YANBU, in my opinion. Love the idea of discussing contraceptive choice with them...

aeder Sun 10-Jul-11 10:27:43

YABU they are perfectly entitled to campaign

sausagesandmarmelade Sun 10-Jul-11 10:32:01

Excellent post mistress

Problem with "pro choice" is that it's very one sided....only the pregnant woman has the right to choose....her partner doesn't and neither of course does the unborn child (whose life depends on the choices that adults make).

And don't tell me it's "her body"'s also the unborn child's body...his/her life is at stake.

I think that abortion should only be carried out in exceptional circumstances....i.e where the pregnancy would jeopardise the health (mental or physical) of the mother...and/or child

catgirl1976 Sun 10-Jul-11 10:35:01

As for life experience, by 14 i had already formed the moral stance to which i have governed my life.

You were way more mature than me then. I was an opinonated little twonk who thought the world worked in black and white and hadn't had enough life experience to understand it was actually mainly shades of grey.

leares Sun 10-Jul-11 10:35:18

YABU If they had been campaigning in favour of abortion, I bet you wouldn't have written this

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