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AIBU to wonder why any woman would identify herself as....

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seeker Wed 29-Jun-11 23:37:51

.....not a feminist?

AgentZigzag Wed 29-Jun-11 23:39:57

What did she say when you asked her on the thread?

CaptainBizarro Wed 29-Jun-11 23:40:36

YANBU.

Anyone who does, IMO, either cannot or will not see the bigger picture. It's too inconvenient, or something.

Can't stand understand people who are willing to reap all the hard-won benefits that feminism has won us, and yet reject the ideology.

Honeydragon Wed 29-Jun-11 23:41:20

UANBU to wonder

UABU to do it at this time of night grin

I'll be back in the morning to see what the "empowered anti feminists" have to say wink

tethersend Wed 29-Jun-11 23:41:32

Becuase, ironically, men don't like feminism.

Although, to be fair, if this is in reference to the thread I think you mean, the OP was very up for debate and questioning her own views which is a fucking rarity.

MrsRhettButler Wed 29-Jun-11 23:41:45

Well I get slightly confused as to what constitutes a feminist actually.

So i Wouldn't call myself a feminist

cat64 Wed 29-Jun-11 23:44:07

Message withdrawn

PamBeesly Wed 29-Jun-11 23:47:58

My sister, who is a complete bit of an idiot, used to say I don't know anything about feminism except I am not a feminist. She felt being a feminist would confer her to a life of greasy hair and unshaven legs. She is educated to the level of masters degree, what a waste imo. She really pisses me off. YADNBU.

Empusa Wed 29-Jun-11 23:57:42

There's a whole variety of reasons. Some of them logical, some of them not.

Personally I do identify as feminist, though there are certain conversations which make me want to deny any connection and just use the (probably made up) word Equalist instead. Sometimes it just seems easier to say that as there are less other assumptions/judgements made.

Mowlem Thu 30-Jun-11 00:01:56

I would never call myself a feminist because I do not believe in fighting for rights for women.

Instead, I would call myself an egalitarian as I do believe in fighting for equality for all - whether that is gender, race, age, sexual preferences....

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 30-Jun-11 00:03:02

I used to define myself as feminist. I used to work for Women's Aid.

I stopped calling myself feminist when radfems on MN told me I couldn't possibly be feminist because I didn't agree with them.

I am, frankly, too old to give a shit about labels.

Tchootnika Thu 30-Jun-11 00:03:58

Of course YANBU, because it happens all the time.
Wouldn't hesitate to identify myself as a feminist - would be stupid illogical not to...
But I suppose it's understandable that some people see 'feminism' as a discreet 'political ideology', rather than common sense...
I think this attitude is akin to that where people slag off 'human rights'... iyswim...

worraliberty Thu 30-Jun-11 00:05:58

Oh I hate 'ists' and 'isms' they're all labels.

I'm just me and that's that grin

Omigawd Thu 30-Jun-11 00:09:07

Can one be a Moderate Feminist and disagree with Radical Feminists or whatever? Or is that now being non-Feminist?

<feels that the Radical Fringe has taken over the Feminist agenda sometimes.

worraliberty Thu 30-Jun-11 00:11:31

That's exactly how I feel Omigawd

I feel by labelling myself, I should act a certain way and believe certain things that 'proper feminists' (whatever that means) believe.

I believe in equality and that's good enough for me grin

GreenEyesandHam Thu 30-Jun-11 00:14:19

I hate that there actually has to be a label of Feminist. An idea that women were ever considered so inequal to men that there has to be a 'movement'.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 30-Jun-11 00:16:28

By current radfem standards, I am a sex-positive feminist; and, to radfems, there isn't much lower than that.

I loathe that radfems claim to know better than women, how those same women really feel.

No better than "the patriarchy" they claim are so oppressive, imvho.

Tchootnika Thu 30-Jun-11 00:17:07

An idea that women were ever considered so inequal to men...
Have you ever read any history, GreenEyesandHam?
Do you ever read the papers?
I think you should...

Empusa Thu 30-Jun-11 00:17:19

"An idea that women were ever considered so inequal to men that there has to be a 'movement'."

Um.. maybe you've phrased that badly.. but women were considered so inequal to men that a movement was needed, still is in fact.

GreenEyesandHam Thu 30-Jun-11 00:17:53

The idea of 'equality of the sexes' only exists because of feminism grin

GreenEyesandHam Thu 30-Jun-11 00:18:43

Hello?

Errr that was my point...

Empusa Thu 30-Jun-11 00:18:46

Sorry.. what? So if it wasn't for that pesky feminism everything would be just fine?

Tchootnika Thu 30-Jun-11 00:19:17

Er, yes, GreenEyes....
or should I call you JamesHuff1/2/3?

GreenEyesandHam Thu 30-Jun-11 00:22:03

Ok, I phrased it badly..

I hate that there actually has to be a label of Feminist. I hate that there is an idea that women were ever considered so inequal to men that there has to be a 'movement'.

worraliberty Thu 30-Jun-11 00:23:08

To be honest I just switch off to anyone who preaches or who seems to think in a one track way.

I've seen the way a few of the 'hardcore' MN feminists have kicked off on threads about porn for example. Some of them were basically telling women how to think and what to believe and getting quite nasty when they weren't agreed with.

The irony of them trying to brow beat women into agreeing with them...the way many men try to brow beat women into agreeing with them was amazing really!

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