I used to visit our ENGLISH WORKING CLASS COURT SYSTEM

[GabbyLoggon]

to explain, the court staff tended to be middle class. But the defendants were mostly working class. Cant they catch the middle class wrongdoers. ? (I only only ask the questions....vicky derbyshire would like to be a judge

[LolaRennt]

yabu

[TheStallionOfSensibleness]

you havent been to a safety camera court then!

or domestic violence day

or downloadng illegal images day.

[messymammy]

or murder cases.

[TheStallionOfSensibleness]

yup
sorry
it aint working here Gabster

[Mamaz0n]

I would suggest that there is a higher incidence of crime amongst the population on a lower income.

Whilst that does not mean that the "middle classes" do not commit crime, it means that when you take a snapshot of a court waiting room the chances are there will be a majority of people who would fit the social stereotype of the lower classes.

[GabbyLoggon]

messy across the bulk of cases JPs courts are 85per cent w.c defendants.

I supposepartofit is middle class have something worth staying legal for.

[GabbyLoggon]

mamarth yes, you got it brother, or sister. or anyplucking thing inbetween

[GabbyLoggon]

OF COURSE THE mc IN PRISONS GO TO OPEN PRISONS.....WE HAVE A TWO TIER SYSTEM FOR GOOD OR ILL

[messymammy]

Perhaps the mc can afford better solicitors than legal aid will allocate to wc?

[TheStallionOfSensibleness]

no one gets legal aid any more ( hardly) so thats a non starter too.

[redexpat]

Well the jury are a random mix - surely that's the most important part?

Also probably depends on what kind of court you were in and what kind of cases you heard.

[TheStallionOfSensibleness]

id say most defendants are either from incredibly damaged childhoods/families

or

are just pretty thick
this crosses all classes.
the kind of ingenous criminal just rarely comes into it.

[messymammy]

oh ok.
I'm out of explanations so!

[Mamaz0n]

though i would say that just because a person has become disaffected that doesn't mean he is necessarily WC.

Drug abuse, DV, familial breakdown, job loss etc. They are equal amongst all social classes and are equally debilitating. Someone may well appear at court in dirty clothing, signing on and possibly high. His home may well be the well to do road you aspire to live on and he has just spent many years rebelling against his very MC upbringing.

Basically, appearance is not everything.

[GabbyLoggon]

JURY , JEWELRY, JEWELRY...I HAVE TURNED INTO JAMES SAVILLE....did jury service pointless case....HOW WAS JS sexually? I could never work him out.

[Mamaz0n]

will it be in English?

[GabbyLoggon]

That is ze leading question

[K999]

Will it make any sense?

[StuckInTheMiddleWithYou]

Who is Vicky Derbyshire?

[Andrewofgg]

Not working class defendants. Shirking class defendants.

[GabbyLoggon]

yes a lot of young people in court hgave had horrendous childhoods. Vicky Derbyshire. Ask Ken clarke MP. she is 5-lives hatchet woman interviewer. Paxo with bloomers. sometimes more heat than light. If they bring back hanging Vicky will be in for the job.

[GabbyLoggon]

OH someof you infer that my mind is more made up than some of you. Simple reason, I am 30 or 40 yeasolder than most of you. Get that dummy out of your mouths

[GabbyLoggon]

k999 THATS LIBELLOUS AND STUPID . pUB BAR WORTHLESS COMMENT. a tory? WELL, ARE YOU? BECAUSE ITS RELEVANT TO ME. pLEASE SPREADYOUR POISON ELSEWHERE.