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to think that those who moan about the cost of childcare

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3x3 Sun 09-Jan-11 01:12:43

should stay at home and mind their kids themsleves?

Now i'm not talking about those who have to work to pay their mortgages etc. to survive.But those who say 'oh i don't know why i work so hard and pay so much to the creche,i only come home with ?60 a month after paying the creche'

Eh,?60 won't pay your mortgage?? So therefore you dont NEED to work so mind your own children and save ?1600 a month. Simples!!

BoysAreLikeDogs Sun 09-Jan-11 01:14:06

???

CristinaTheAstonishing Sun 09-Jan-11 01:14:28

It's not that simple. See previous threads on MN about this.

BorisTheBold Sun 09-Jan-11 01:15:15

bites tongue

reelingintheyears Sun 09-Jan-11 01:15:48

biscuit

Dansmommy Sun 09-Jan-11 01:16:29

But if you're on a very tight budget, that £60 per month can make or break sometimes, can't it?

reelingintheyears Sun 09-Jan-11 01:16:39

Ooops sorry.......
Twat.

3x3 Sun 09-Jan-11 01:20:12

But all those hours you are spending working for that €60 could be spent with your children?
That is just my opinion.Children are only children for a short while after all.

curlymama Sun 09-Jan-11 01:24:20

I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare. Childcare workers get paid a pittance, for looking after the most precious thing in our lives. Parents want the best possible people to be looking after their children, presumably in nice, well maintained surroundings, with all the resources needed to stimulate and educate them, then they go and complain about how much it costs for that. If childcare workers were paid what they are actually worth, then parents might have a reason to complain. Until then, they should be grateful that they are in a position to earn more than the people that care for their children

hobbgoblin Sun 09-Jan-11 01:24:39

You don't childmind in my area do you? In fact, please don't say you childmind at all. To have one's children cared for by a person with such short sighted thinking and inability to think beyond one's own life view would be poor value for money; you're not wrong there.

BorisTheBold Sun 09-Jan-11 01:24:47

Hmmm, but the children are only going to be in ft childcare (i.e. from 8am-5/6pm) for a few years until they are at school, then the hours become less and the take home pay more.

IMO makes more sense for short term loss in childcare than long term loss for leaving the workplace for 4+ years.

hobbgoblin Sun 09-Jan-11 01:25:57

curly, I think you may find that a generous proportion of the 'whingers' are actually struggling to find jobs that pay as much as their childcarer charges.

missalien Sun 09-Jan-11 01:38:08

Its average 6 to 8pounds round here for a childminder. Per hour. Per child. Thats a bloody good wage if you ask me. I barely earn a pound or two more that one child per hour.

Thecatshatonthemat Sun 09-Jan-11 01:46:43

biscuit

nannynick Sun 09-Jan-11 01:49:50

Need to think about things like long term career. If a women works, has a child, then does not go back to work, then they will no longer progress in their career and may find it very hard to return to it in the future.
I would expect that some people stay in their job so that they continue to update their professional training, continue to go up the career ladder, keep abreast of latest developments in their sector, so that later on they have a better chance of doing a higher paid job.
Also some people may need the mental stimulus and people contact their job gives - not everyone is suited to being around small children all day.

Due to the typical school day, childcare is still needed for school aged children. The type of childcare may change, it may reduce in cost.

curlymama Sun 09-Jan-11 01:50:38

I agree with that completely hobbgoblin, but your first comment was uncalled for imo. I'm not a childminder, but if I was I would be providing not far off the sort of care a parent would provide. How much an hour do you think your job as a parent would be worth? The complaint should be about how it is hard to find a job that pays a living wage unless you are qualified in a high wage industry, not the cost of childcare.

I realise that childcare can be expensive, but so it should be. You are paying for someone to take care of your child. It's not that I can't look beyone my own life at all, it's just that it is quite demoralising to hear that people feel they pay too much for the service you provide, when you could earn more working a till in tesco. When that service is caring for and educating the most important thing in amyones life.

Childcare workers have to be qualified possess quite a lot of skills, and be the right sort of person. Anyone could do a cleaning job or work in a supermarket or a fast food restaurant, but they get paid more.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo Sun 09-Jan-11 01:53:55

so basically OP, people with kids shouldn't work? and how do you suggest the country keeps running with all these parents not working and who supports them if they don't work?

you are quite thick.

hobbgoblin Sun 09-Jan-11 01:57:02

I believe that childcarers are underpaid. However, I also believe that the standard of childcare is often insufficient - ironically probably due to the unattractive low wage paid for a high level of responsibility and a demand for diverse skills.

The lower end of the wage scale is very squeezed. Something needs to change further up and perhaps gradually will do now that the fat cat situation is increasingly challenged.

Perhaps my post was uncalled for. I found the OP's views very lacking in consideration - ignorant in fact. The fact that such ignorance was also loaded with criticism rather got my goat.

Tortington Sun 09-Jan-11 02:02:41

here are some reasons some might chose to stay in employment with little remuneration

Don't want to spend 34 hours a day with 'darling' children, they drive me nuts, the days are actually awful, we end up not liking each other, i feel like i have lost my whole'being' and my brain had been sucked out by a leech, a leech called baby

i would like to ensure my knowledge remains current in my field

i would like to retain my position within the organisation, knowing that doing so will serve me well in the long term

i would like to still have access to excellent pension cntributions

i would like to access training programmes

i would like to cnverse with someone on an adult level that doesn't involve words like 'cracked nipple' ' green poo' and competitive parenting

I like my collegues and enjoy the social side of work

3x3 Sun 09-Jan-11 02:06:11

If you read my op i said i was not talking about parents who had to work to survive to live. I was talking about people who feel the need to make working people who need to work to pay the bills feel bad by stating that they dont really need to work. I'm not ignorant. I know many people have not got the choice to stay at home but just felt if you can make a statement that you ONLY come home with £60 a MONTH after paying childcare costs then maybe the answer is to mind your own kids??!!

3x3 Sun 09-Jan-11 02:07:22

Thick i'm not. Voicing my opinion i'am!!

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo Sun 09-Jan-11 02:09:16

do you honestly think there are any parents who work for the joy of it?

£60 a month after childcare is fuck all tbh. people have other bills too you know.

3x3 Sun 09-Jan-11 02:11:56

Custardo that is your baby you are talking about!! That you chose to have?? What an inconvienience!!

hobbgoblin Sun 09-Jan-11 02:16:26

OP, if there really exist people who don't need to work to live (given that money is traditional currency and that we don't use a barter and exchange system as a rule) then I am quite certain these people will not be moaning about paying their childcare fees. The people moaning about that £60 are moaning because they need it. Unless someone has said they consider the childcare poor value, which is a different scenario altogether.

Your OP doesn't make sense.

Even someone like custy above is ackowledging some financial motivation to stay on a career path.

The people you are talking about will be on a yacht with a private nanny for each child, not on your estate moaning about 60 measly quid when they pick their kids up.

Tortington Sun 09-Jan-11 02:20:54

i'm sorry 3x3 are you psychic? becuase i don't know anyone who knows what motherhood is actually like until they actually have a child.

You can have one child and cope perfectly well, and have another and then not. For some people having a child or two or more is a very traumatic experience and one that they could not foresee.

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