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JJ17 Thu 23-Dec-10 01:16:03

My ex-DH bought our DS2 a puppy for xmas (after much thought and with my agreement). He was 12 weeks old when he bought him and we have now had him about 10 days.

We love him but he is so much hard work! He is a cross JRT and Border Terrier, he is so sweet but is getting worse behaved the more he is with us.

It's like having a little baby in the house, I didn't realise. He's not going anywhere and we will get through this stage.

He keeps shitting and pissing in the house despite 2 big plays in the park a day and getting shoved out in the garden everytime he looks "sniffy".

We are doing something wrong I think.

We play with him a lot and give him lots of attention but he is very "barky" if we put him outside for a piss. In fact, he barks at everything, cars, people, huge dogs. He is not at all aggressive just very vocal and licky and jumpy uppy.

MrsNonSmoker Thu 23-Dec-10 01:19:47

Posted something similar on dogs' board a few weeks ago about my puppy, I'm pretty sure this is just how puppies are - go on the dog board they are good on there.

DooinMeCleanin Thu 23-Dec-10 01:20:47

Are you going out with him? You should go out and wait him for to do his stuff then treat the second he finishes.

exexpat Thu 23-Dec-10 01:21:35

Why don't you repost this in the doghouse section? You'll get lots of useful advice.

My first thought is that 10 days is still early days, but if you got him at 12 weeks that was relatively late - didn't the breeder make a start on house-training?

sunnydelight Thu 23-Dec-10 01:26:14

Can't offer much advice I'm afraid - puppies are hard work, especially so in bad weather when you can't just leave the door open for him to go out when he needs to. Like a toddler he will need to go to the toilet "little and often" and won't be able to hold it. We put down some newspaper just inside the back door if the door was shut (we chose to get the puppy in the Summer partly for this reason) and didn't have too many accidents off the paper.

You do need to get him to puppy training classes. I've never met a jack russell or a terrier of any kind who wasn't barky and jumpy tbh, especially when young. Good, early training should help though.

JJ17 Thu 23-Dec-10 01:36:12

thank you all - coulndt find the dogs section on mumsnet.

I knew JRT's were barky, I dont mind that, he isnt bitey.

He is a sweetheart, I think we need training!

JJ17 Thu 23-Dec-10 02:08:40

tried the doghouse - no one there!

JJ17 Thu 23-Dec-10 02:54:32

no responses from doghouse - back to here I am afraid. Does anyone know about puppy training?

WrappedandTagged Thu 23-Dec-10 03:49:12

I'd go to a class and get some advice on training. I've done it myself but only on "pleaser" breeds like labrodors and dobermans and I went to a class the first time to get ideas.

Dont want to depress you further but JR's can be a bitch to train- they are a law unto themselves and can have a tendency to "wander" especially if unneutered.

QuadMummy Thu 23-Dec-10 07:30:26

Sounds normal to me. He will get it, eventually. You need to take him outside and stay with him every 15 minutes, after every meal, when he wakes up, when he's finished playing. It's worse than having a newborn! Newborns wear nappies and dont need to go in the freezing cold lol!

If you have got snow there (who hasnt!) try clearing some away so that there is some grass for him to toilet on, otherwise once the snow has gone, he wont know where to go.

One thing, if you have those vile puppy training pads for the floor,or newspaper down, GET RID. It causes more confusing for the puppy.

I would invest in a dog-crate as well. They look cruel but are perfectly fine and give puppy somewhere safe to go when you are eating, when you go to bed, when you go out etc.

Good luck

Spinkle Thu 23-Dec-10 07:34:19

Take pooch out every half an hour. Everytime say 'do you business' If pooch does then go mental with praise. Don't tell it off for going indoors though. This is the hardest bit but JRTs are bright.

He will start to do the nibbling thing soon. You need to train him out of the bitey thing. The breeder we got ours from (JRT X Cairn terrer) told me everytime they have a nibble then to squeeze their lip with your fingers in their mouth (which will be what's being nibbled so will already be there) quite hard and say 'NO' in a scary deep voice. You'll only have to do this a few times. You must do this, not your child.

JRTs are lovely dogs. Energetic though. And they need firm rules or they will rule you.

And yes - must do the neutering thing and they'll be easier to handle.

p.s ours will do pretty much anything for cheap hotdogs chopped up(nasty to us but caviar to pooches)

QuadMummy Thu 23-Dec-10 07:37:29

Spinkle, your second paragraph, that is the worst advice I have ever heard!! Please do not do that to your dog! Why on earth would you want to scare your dog and to hurt him?? I'm sorry but that is awful

BTW I am/was a dog trainer so I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about

Spinkle Thu 23-Dec-10 07:53:53

Having never had a puppy until we got this one I took the advice the breeder gave me.

It did work. I only had to do it once. I was concerned about her nipping as I have a child with autism.

To be honest; I thought it was mimicking what would happen in the pack if another dog bit too hard.

Of course I don't want to hurt/scare my dog!

santascupcakes Thu 23-Dec-10 08:02:06

It will take a couple of months to settle in.

Just concentrate on regular toilet breaks, lots of praise and as much socialising to de-sensitise him.

Make sure you are consistent with your training and it is normally good if one person does the training until iy comes more naturally to him.

QuadMummy Thu 23-Dec-10 08:03:20

Sorry Spinkle, I wasn't being mean, just shocked that a "breeder" would advice something like that (Not sure how they are a breeder when they are cross-breeding)

faverolles Thu 23-Dec-10 08:06:59

Buy the perfect puppy by (umm, will google the name and post it in a minute!)
Read it from cover to cover, and follow it. Because the puppy is 12 weeks, you'll probably have to put a bit more effort in, but it'll be worth it!
Please get the book, it really works!

faverolles Thu 23-Dec-10 08:07:59

The Perfect Puppy - Gwen Bailey.

faverolles Thu 23-Dec-10 08:08:42

(I'm not her btw, trying to do some sneaky advertising!)

SaggyHairyArse Thu 23-Dec-10 08:43:36

Getting my JRT was a shock, I found it harder work than having a newborn!!!

We were told to paper train for toileting but that was a nightmare as he would pee on the kids drawings/books etc so I resorted to putting him outside atleast every 15 mins and encouraging him and when he did go he got a treat.

With re the barking, my JRT is quite quiet but I have heard you should teach them to talk so that you can say 'no talk/bark'.

About the mouthing, puppies do mouth and would replace hands with toys to chew on. But Iam no expert.

Good luck!

Laska Thu 23-Dec-10 09:18:33

Toileting will take a few days of consistent hard work from you. Out on a lead to the spot in the garden where you want him to go every 20-30m, plus every time he wakes up, and after each meal/drink. When he has finished doing his pee/poo, give him massive praise (I use 'good wee' or 'good poo') so they get to know what the word wee means) and pop a treat in his mouth. This will make it a rewarding experience for him.

If he goes in the house use biological washing powder to clean it up, bleach-based cleaners have ammonia which will make it appealing to him to go there again!

If he does make a mistake, take a rolled up newspaper... and hit yourself over the head with it! He doesn't know any better yet, and only has a tiny bladder, so it's up to you to be taking him out often and training him that it's rewarding to go where you want him to. Don't tell him off or even act disappointed - you could end up with a dog who hides it when he needs the loo, which will really set him back.

With the puppy mouthing, this is a vital stage, as it gives him 'feedback' on using his teeth, and teaches him to have a soft mouth - which is vital for every dog. Each time teeth touch flesh, you can either yelp as if in pain and turn away, but some pups (terriers could be prone to this!) might find the yelp stimulating and get even more excitable. So the other choice is to stand up and ignore him. Either way, all play stops for a couple of minutes and you become very boring. He should learn that there's more fun to be had if his mouth doesn't touch skin! Make sure you provide plenty of chew toys for his teeth.

I don't know how old your daughter is, but the important thing is that everyone is consistent in doing the same thing. I'd really recommend you both take him along to some good, positive, reward-based training classes. It's worth going along to watch a class first without your daughter and the dog. Make sure that they don't advocate anything like choke chains or rattle bottles and that the dogs and owners look happy and relaxed - if not, run for the hills! Your daughter could even take him through his Kennel Club 'Good Citizen Dog Bronze' award, which would be a great bonding experience for them both!

Best of luck!

FabbyChic Thu 23-Dec-10 09:29:15

Just like babies you have to train dogs, takes a couple of months, put newspaper down at the back door. When he goes elsewhere tell him off and pick him up and put him on the paper.

Doesnt take long for him to learn.

My westie is four now. He chewed the TV cabinet you have that to come.

We had him in a cage of a night or when we went out initially we were advised to do so, we put newspaper in there. It worked.

VallhalaLalalalalalalalaaaaaa Thu 23-Dec-10 09:34:45

*Laska^ has said it all really. I nearly shouted when I read the rolled up newspaper bit though, until I read on!

Training classes will make the world of difference but the main things to bear in mind are that it will take time. They do grow out of all the undesirable things and time, patience and consistency are the keys.

Keep training to little and often - dogs get bored easily and will switch off, at which point it becomes counter-productive. Reward, reward, reward and repeat, repeat, repeat. Ensure that pup has somewhere to call his own so that he can escape the noise and chaos of family life and that he is not disturbed there.

And teach your family... you ALL have to be doing things the same way. For example, teach DH that if he gets up before you his priority, before he puts the kettle on, must be to take pup out for a wee and praise him, just as you do. Otherwise you could hardly blame pup for being confused and weeing on the floor, not just that morning but the next too, if there is no consistency to his pattern of life and training in the early days.

He sounds cute and will reward you with years of love and fun, I'm sure. I'm a little envious of those with small dogs atm, having three large ones who are shedding fur all over a sitting room made even smaller by the presence of a ruddy great Christmas tree!

Lotster Thu 23-Dec-10 09:47:05

Agree with trying to ignore the mistaks, going out in tho the garden when he goes, and going nuts with praise when he does something right. It's a good opportunity to encourage him to go in one chosen spot in the garden too.

Stuffing a kong with appropriate nibbles helped us in the chewing stage when we went out, but our BT did scratch up the kitchen floor a treat at that time.

Like kids, it passes quick enough, ours is such a little gentleman now.

Would be good to see what the product of my Border and next door's JRT unholy union would have been the other day hmm had mine not been neutered! Any chance of a piccie?

p.s. as you have kids at home I'd discourage "tug" games.

Debs3013 Thu 23-Dec-10 11:14:13

Okay puppy classes are a must, Kong toys stuffed with goodies as already suggested are great as well as the plastic balls you can fill with little biscuits - keeps them entertained for hours chasing and rolling the ball so the bics fall out.

I had two adult dogs (rescued as adults) and then got Nutmeg as a pup - oh my word, I remember about a month of continuous pooping all over the house and thinking I'd made the most horrendous mistake. All of sudden it all stopped - she started following the other guys straight out the dog flap, no mess in the house, only a small amount of chewing things she shouldn't.

The other great training aid is a big dog crate. When they are getting completely over the top (as they do) pop in the crate with their toys and blanket etc. for a little while, just to give them a time out. If you leave the door of the crate open at all other times, the pup will start using it as it's own little bit of space when it decides those pesky humans are being completely over top!

Most of all don't worry, it really doesn't last forever!

weimy Thu 23-Dec-10 12:02:35

Totally agree with lotser, I have 3 weimaraners so have been through this on an even bigger level because weimys are potty!

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